Lacanche Threads 31-39

Lacanche Ranges Part 33


Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 4, 06 at 17:44
Okay, part 33. Wow, that's a lot of disscussion about a French stove!

Joe

Follow-Up Postings:

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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33


* Posted by trufflelover (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 4:05

drec1500
I live in Spain and have a Sully +1 with 2 Pando extractors set into a brick and plasterwork hood.This works very well even when all the burners are in use.
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 7:03

Let's include a link to Part 32.

Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Ranges Part 32
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 11:37

bake_sale eric:

Love that enclume baker's sideboard! I agree with velodoug that it will work out just fine with your Lacanche, assuming it works with the rest of your kitchen overall. It is really a handsome piece. Any pictures of your new green Lacanche?

AnnaLeeF
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 11:53

First, Joe and Velodoug- thanks so much for all the input. It is a big help.

The mail just came and still no samples :(. I'm still hanging in there though just very frustrated with the follow up.

Just a thought on the lack of self cleaning function in the Lacanche. This is based on my experience with my Jenn Air - Earlier this week I attempted to season some new cast iron skillets. I'm not sure if there was something already in the oven or if the skillets had some rust. Either way, there was a mess! I waited until today to do the self clean thing. Read the manual and guess what - had to clean the oven before I could clean the oven. So I did the wipe down (only w/water - can't use anything) and scrubbed for about 5 minutes. Then, start the clean. It takes 3 hours to clean and 1 hour to cool. So total 4 hours - I'm thinking it would probably be easier to just put the Easy Off on, wipe down and go. It could be wishful thinking but man that was a pain!
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 12:28

Self cleaning is one of the hot button topics on these forums, with people who do(don't) like it trying endlessly to convince people who don't(do) like it what a great(stupid) feature it is, and all of the evidence offered is anecdotal. There is no right answer.

My own advice, based on my own limited experience, is that if someone has not used self-cleaning, and they think it will solve all of their oven cleaning problems, they are likely to be disappointed.
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 13:28

ditto what doug says. My previous oven was self-almost-clean. I've sprayed regular easy off in my Lacanche. Okay that took all of a minute - just be careful of the thermocouple. Wait three hours and wipe, then rinse with some water. Plus, you get to sit down whle doing it!

About the only thing about my stove I miss, and this will sound odd - is an oven light.
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 13:30

A good feature of smaller ovens - less surface to clean! These are so easy to wipe down. As Doug indicates, this is a passionate topic, but I have not used the self-clean in any oven for years - just hated it.
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by mwardlb (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 15:17

momto4 - I looked online for the Taylor thermometers, but I could only find the folding type or the stick ones. Yours appear to hang from the rack? Where did you get them?

I am interested in them because of the amount of oven roasting I do - they seem like the perfect tool to help prevent drying out the meats.

THANKS - michele
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 15:37

I found one at Chef Depot that hangs on the rack.

Here is a link that might be useful: Chef Depot
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 16:17

Yep! That's the one I have! I believe that's where I ordered mine, too!
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 17:34

Cool. Just ordered two. Thanks for finding them plumorchard!

Ivette
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by sjay (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 5, 06 at 22:13

I am considering a cluny and ideally a cluny plus a warming oven. Other than price(which is definitely a factor), my issue with getting a warming cupboard is that I will have very limited upper cabinets in my new kitchen, so I don't want to give up the upper cabinet space. Does everyone who has a warming cupboard extend their hood over the entire range? I am afraid it will look awful if the hood only covers the burner portion of the stove.

Also, from the specs on the AC website it seems like I cannot have upper cabinets straddling each side of the regular cluny due to the clearances. Am I reading the specs correctly?

One last question, has anyone here actually recessed a lacanche into their wall. We are tight on space and am concerned with how far out the range will project with the spacer.
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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Sun, Aug 6, 06 at 4:57

Did you look through the gallery of pictures on the Lacanche website? Maybe someone has done this. I don't have uppers in my "range alcove" so I can't help you there. My range is flanked by WCs, which I can't live without now(!), and the hood extends over both...even though there is no burner on top of the right-hand WC.

Hopefully, someone with uppers will chime in re: clearances.

What's on the opposite side of the wall where you are contemplating the range? Mine is the garage. Given how I designed my alcove, my builder was certainly able to bump the wall further into the garage a few inches to accomodate any needs. I didn't end up doing it, though, as I have plenty of space. Maybe someone else here has.

Or...let's us redesign your layout for you! The folks here have done great things!!! Okay...maybe I'm just half-way kidding!

Good luck!
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by jaedwards (My Page) on
Sun, Aug 6, 06 at 12:38

I received my brochure from AC about two weeks ago and I've been quietly reading the archives before I jump in with a bunch of questions. I see that NancyUSA was the nice person who originally set up the archive page, but things haven't been updated in a long, long time and many threads are not posted. Has anyone been capturing these? What can be done to get the site up-to-date? I wouldn't mind taking a stab at it if things have been saved (assuming that more than one person can post to that blog).

I can't remember who (or when) someone posted that Lacanche is at Harrod's in London. My DH just told me that he's going to London at the end of August and I may tag along just to go see it! I have a daughter in college in Olympia WA, I could go visit her and make a side trip. If anyone is in the Chicago area (I'm on the north shore), I would love to save the airfare and put it toward a WC!
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Sun, Aug 6, 06 at 13:15

jaedwards...welcome!

I've emailed Nancy a couple of times, hoping to kickstart the Blog again. I've not heard back. Maybe someone else has a better email address for her. I do think people have said periodically they were saving the threads on their computers. Maybe they'll peak in (probably after summer) and help get updated! I wish I knew how to do it...I would if I could!
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Sun, Aug 6, 06 at 13:51

Can someone tell me if I am reading this correctly? The Cormatin smallest burners is up to 5000 BTUs. Does anyone know what the lowest is? My range has one burner that will reduce to 650 to simmer.

And, sort of related, all of the burners are just one set of flames right? I have a EvenThree burner that has an inner ring and an outer ring...you can use one or the other or both. (Can't quite figure it out!)
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Sun, Aug 6, 06 at 15:28

Plumorchard -- The smallest burner on the Cormatin, and I believe on all of the Lacanche ranges, is indeed rated at 5,000 BTU maximum. I've never seen minimum ratings for any of the burners. Some participants on this forum found the lowest setting of the small burner to be too high as delivered. Fortunately it is very easy to adjust the minimum flame height, using just a screwdriver. There is a video showing how to do it on the AC web site. We have ours set very low and it produces a good low simmer.

Yes, you are right that each burner has only one set of flames. These are very simple ranges.
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Sun, Aug 6, 06 at 16:08

JAEdwards AND Momto4kids:
I haven't seen Nancy around in a long time. I used to save all the Lacanche threads, but got lazy after she set up the blog. Among our ranks, someone must be tech savvy - or maybe not - since we are all buying low tech ranges! Ha!

We could appeal to starpooh, but I think she is now recruiting volunteers to manage that fabulous kitchen inventory she created, in addition the soapstone blog.

Be nice if iVillage could provide some expertise so newbies and elders could index easily facts and experiences. frenchranges.com forum has organized categories but does not enjoy the same volume of traffic as the appliance forum here.
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on
Sun, Aug 6, 06 at 16:25

Hi All:

I haven't visited the website from AC. But I remeber that it got very little traffic. Anyone know why? Maybe using that website, which AC maintains would be a good place?
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Mon, Aug 7, 06 at 9:39

I know from reading you can light the burners if you have a power outage. Does the range have automatic reignition if the flame goes out (not power related)? And, each burner has a sep igniter?

As always, thanks,
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Mon, Aug 7, 06 at 10:16

You can light the top burners, and the gas oven, during a power outage. The top burners do not have automatic re-ignition. Each burner has a separate ignitor.
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by jaedwards (My Page) on
Mon, Aug 7, 06 at 11:15

I'm trying to play with the blog but am having trouble adding links to the first page. I've emailed Nancy using the email account she chose as the blog administrator. We'll see if I hear from her. Does anyone have anything saved from the past few months?

Won't get to it today...my son is in town for a few days and the architect comes tomorrow. hmmmmm maybe my son can help, computers are second nature to that generation.

In the meantime....still trying to resolve the oven debate within my head. Could we have a shout-out from the "elders" here as to the size of your oven and the largest turkey you made? I *know* that you really can't compare a small, well-made oven to a cavernous, inconsistent big one. I've also figured out that I could make a smaller turkey and a breast on top of the extra pan of dressing that I do already...but it would be reassuring since the turkey dinner is what brings my kids home from the far corners of the country!!!

Thanks,
Judy
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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Mon, Aug 7, 06 at 11:30

As a backup to the blog archives, I know it isn't ideal but if you can't get Nancy maybe a Blog II - ? Just an idea.

Back to turkeys.....
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Mon, Aug 7, 06 at 14:33

Judy...I'm trying to find a post about what we all did last Thanksgiving. I think my turkey was just under 20 lbs (maybe about 17) and I had plenty of room for it in the oven. But, I high heat roast, too, so even if I didn't have enough room, I'd have plenty of time! I'll try to locate the thread where we all talked about what we got into our ovens.
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33


* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 8, 06 at 16:35

I am very! disappointed in AC. I have emailed, I have left messages, I have sent faxes, I even mailed a note with a return sample (a color I did't request) and nothing! I am on the automatic notification for the emails but am getting no where with anything else. I love the range but am getting very frustrated with the lack of follow up for such a high priced product! I know I am a small fish but what gives?

(thanks for letting me vent!)
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 8, 06 at 17:04

Okay, as stated above, AC closes for a month in the summer. And I do believe it is in August.

Why they don't do an autoreply kind of thing, letting people know is beyond me.

I think all (most) of us have had a time when AC didn't respond as quickly as we would like. But they always do, and we have all always been satisfied.

I do understand your frustration, I really do. Frankly, I"ve always felt they don't have enough employees and have had to send a couple of "friendly reminders" once or maybe twice. They have come through each time.

Anyway, I actually came on board to BOAST (since I don't want to start another thread just for this) that there is RUNNING WATER in my kitchen!!!!! WHOO HOOO!! Yessireeee! The main sink and the prep sink are fully operational, and may I just JUST say that the faucets are totally drooooooool???

Oh joy!
Ivette
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* Posted by gingerginger (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 8, 06 at 17:36

plumorchard and velodoug both write about re-lighting the burners or lighting the burners and ovens of the AC LaCanche ranges if they go out or if there's a power outage . . . . please confirm that the gas valves are not interlocked with the electrical igniters, . . . so that one could actually set up the ranges without an electrical supply, period (and light them each time with long matches or butane lighters). yes??

ginger
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 8, 06 at 17:38

plumorchard...yes, I know it can get frustrating. It bums me out when this happens. They are a small outfit, in that stage where they could use more employees from our perspective...but probably can't from their perspective. Plus, they do run another business or two. And yes, I think August is when they are the leanest staffwise, since the factory in France is closed. I wish this didn't happen because it detracts from the wonderful range. Hang in there. I couldn't find those other threads. Drats. I wish I knew who saved them besides Nancy.

Ivette....WOOOOOWWWWWW! OMGosh...long time coming, GF!! I cannot wait to see pix. I drool just thinking about the color of your range!
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 8, 06 at 18:10

Ginger -- If you order the range with just a gas oven (or gas ovens) and don't plug it in to an electrical outlet it will work just fine. The top burners are easy to light with an ordinary kitchen match. The oven burner is easier with something a little longer like a fireplace match or a butane grill lighter.
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by vedazu (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 7:53

Between gingerginer and plumorchard, I'm inspired to bake something!

Re: igniting the burners. Once upon a time, Mindstorm made the observation that if you turn the knobs back towards the off position, you can get a very low simmer. This created a bit of controversy because of the possibility of the burner going out and leaking gas. I use this trick regularly; I've tried to blow out the low flame, and then relight it with a match--there doesn't seem to be any gas leakage in this situation--no gas sound, no gas smell, no ability to re-light. Anyone care to comment?
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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 8:51

Aside from having your Lacanche fired up for the first time, I think getting water flowing may be the second best day in a remodel - enjoy your eight glasses today, Ivette!
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 9:37

Hi Veda, it's good to hear from you again.

I don't know how the gas controls and ignitors work on your European Lacanche. I suspect that it is different in some respects from the US models. For example, what does the little pushbutton on the control panel with the star label do? The US models don't have it. Anyway, it's quite possible that your range has more safeguards built into it than the US models, which might make operating the burners in the range hetween High and Off OK. I stand by my view that for the US models it is a potentially dangerous practice.

Doug
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33


* Posted by vedazu (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 11:39

Hi, Doug! The pushbutton is the ignition/spark--you hold it down with your left hand and push/turn the knob for the appropriate burner with your right. I thought the UL were the same in this regard? Veda
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33


* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 12:26

Veda,

The UL ranges don't have the little button. On each top burner control the first position CCW from OFF is labeled IGN. Turning the knob to IGN starts the spark going. Continuing to rotate the knob to HIGH starts the gas going. If you rotate the knob CCW past HIGH before it lights, the sparking stops and you have to turn it back CW back to HIGH to get it going again.

The gas oven is simpler. It has an IGN label just CCW of OFF but there is no need to stop turning it there. Just push the knob in, rotate it to the desired temperature, and the sparking and the pilot gas will start. Once the thermopile in the pilot flame heats up the main gas starts and lights and the oven heats up.

While we're on the subject, you might be able to help clear up another mystery. The aluminum collar under the brass cap on each burner has two holes. On the UL ranges the spark ignitor sticks up through the right hole and the left hole is blanked off. I have to believe the second hole is there for a reason. Is it used for anything on your range?

Doug
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 12:57

Hi everyone --

We've been escaping the Arizona summer heat for the past 6+ weeks and are now back in town (kiddies are back in school this week). I meant to post photos of our new Lacanche (Cluny 1400 Classique) kitchen (about 90% complete) before we left but ran out of time. Here it is. It's still not complete (needs shoe molding for baseboards, plastered range hood, need to install appliance cabinet panels with hardware, install flat screen TV over desk, etc.). It's also just a blank canvass right now...needs some pizazz added by decorating with color (window treatments) and accessories but that will come in time. I'm still exhausted from the construction of the house, moving in and traveling this Summer. Not a lot of energy left to decorate. Oh, and we will be putting some furniture in the great room soon!

I've enjoyed reading everyone's updates lately and seeing all the new people getting excited about their Lacanche purchases. Which reminds me. We haven't done much cooking on our Lacanche just yet. It's too hot to do it just yet. But we will, we will. What we have done has worked wonderfully. Question: the installer did a great job but what do you think about how the Lacanche is raised up (feet). Luckily, he had these "feet" on his truck. There was a problem with what came with the range and I can't recall why. DH and I are 5'll" and 5'7" respectively so the height is not an issue but I imagine it would be better if it was a bit lower? Thoughts?

Here is a link that might be useful: More pics of our Lacanche kitchen
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 17:36

Gorgeous Kitchen! That is incredible.
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 17:57

that's really beautiful AZDreamhome. I love that hood! How wonderful for you!

I like the look of the feet. We had height issues too when we first got the range and figured out that the feet or whatever were in the "delivery" position and needed to be changed to make the range higher, which we did. I thought the Lacanche instructions say not to use anything else to stand the range up, but I could be wrong. It sure looks nice!

Ivette
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by mwardlb (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 21:10

azdreamhome - WOW!! What a stunning kitchen. I LOVE the light fixtures!!! Great job!!
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 21:40

AZ - Stunning home and beautiful cool stone surfaces and color palette for the desert environment. You must be so ready to put your feet up and relax after pulling together this magnificent home. Just perfect!
Our daughter is packing now to leave PHX for CT. We'll see if she adapts to our New England winters!
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by vedazu (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 9, 06 at 23:00

Doug,

I went to my manual-- there is a metal projection in that second, left hole, not that I know what it does. It is called a thermocoupler and earlier in the manual it refers to adjusting the "thermocouple safety cut-outs: " If the burner goes out, having kept the control knob pushed in for roughly 20 seconds, check: Moderate tightening of magnetic head on the valve, that the thermocouple tip actually touches the flame and the thermocouples and magnetic heads are clean. "

Got that? All Greek to me! It is interesting that these ranges are different in this respect. Since you are an engineer, would you like a copy of this manual? Be happy to send it if you like.

By the way, you can ignite the burners when the knobs are pushed in past the 3/4 position (CCW) at any time--pushing in the knob releases the gas flow. Veda
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 10, 06 at 6:58

AZ...BEAUTIFUL! I've been waiting to see your progress! It's just lovely!!
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 10, 06 at 11:33

Veda,

Thank you for offering to send a copy of the manual. Since the ranges are significantly different it would only be of academic interest, but I'll keep it in mind.

It's clear from your description that your non-UL range has a safety feature that the UL ranges do not have. I am not surprised because European safety standards are often more stringent than those in North America. On your range, if the thermocouple in the left hole detects that the flame has gone out with the gas still turned on the gas is automatically shut off. The instruction you quote is addressing what to do if the safety feature malfunctions and keeps the burner from lighting at all.

With that safety feature, your burners can probably be safely operated in the range between HIGH and OFF where the UL ranges, in my opinion, can not. I have to qualify this opinion because there may be other differences, but if you can't small gas when you blow out the flame you are most likely OK. In my opinion, the rest of us should not be trying this stunt.

Doug
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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 10, 06 at 16:14

OMG. I suppose someday, when my range is actually fired up and I'm using it, I'll understand what in the heck velodoug and vedazu are talking about. Thermocouplers????

LOL!
Ivette
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by jaedwards (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 10, 06 at 22:44

AZ--congrats on that beautiful kitchen!

To all--I know I read somewhere about the oven sizes on the different models...can't find it at all. Is the Cluny the only model with the small ovens? Then what is the difference between the Volnay/Vougeot and the Chambertin/Chassagne models/ovens? I am assuming the Fontenay oven is the same size as the Sully. I know you all have been through what I'm going through...hobs! colors! one oven/two ovens/warming cabinet! Right now, since we are still in prelim with the architect, I'm alloting 60" for a range. He's never heard of Lacanche (sigh). Now with all the red alert stuff, the trip to London is off. Oh! I so wanted to see a Lacanche in person. Don't get me wrong...I'm happy the terrorists were caught and the alert is necessary and WAY more important than me buying a stove.

So....colors....the marron glace isn't as deep of a brown as I thought it would be..seems more like the almond to me (frangipane). Pretty though. I like the terracotta, curious about the delft blue. Ivory and burgundy still make my heart beat the fastest for now.

As far as oven size, I would really like a single cluny oven with a warming cabinet, then I'd get a electric conv wall oven for my baking center. Since we're soon to be empty nesters, most of my cooking will be for two and the cluny would be perfect.

Oh well, enough stove dreams for me tonight. Now I'll go obsess about the 2nd floor drawings. The architect blocked a bedroom window with the addition roof and now I'm reworking the entire upstairs before I call him. Good thing I caught it. We were almost ready to go to working drawings.

Thanks for putting up with all my newbie rambling! Still would like the turkey info!!!!!

Judy in Chicagoland
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 11, 06 at 0:32

Judy, take a look at the specifications on the Art Culinaire support page...I think they will answer many of your questions (well, except for the questions about which color to choose!)

Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Specifications
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 33

* Posted by vedazu (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 11, 06 at 8:04

Judy--I had a 17+turkey last year. I think the point is this: if is fits in your roasting pan, you can get it in the oven. Seventeen or 18 pounds is probably close to your limit--I think the bird's legs were crammed in somehow, as I recall. VZ

Lacanche Ranges Part 32

Posted by maringirl (My Page) on
Fri, May 12, 06 at 11:57

Hi everyone -- We left off at the end of part 31 discussing hoods/liners. I feel like I have depleted any decision-making ability after 18 months of home building, but I am coming down the the wire on the hood. We are going with a VAH liner, and the best solution design-wise is a 46 3/8" wide, 900 CFM. My range is the Chambertin 43.5", with an open burner, FT, one 5K and one 11K burner, and a gas oven (plus warming cupboard). Can any of the Lacanche/VAH owners comment on whether this is sufficent venting to accomodate a variety of cooking styles? On the decorative element I've gone from wood/plaster to copper and back to wood/plaster. I don't have uppers next to the hood, but I don't have an alcove either. Also my range is centered on a vaulted ceiling, so there is a "peak" at the top of the hood. Does anyone have a good source for decorative hood ideas? Thank you so much! Val

Follow-Up Postings:

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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 32


* Posted by lpolk (My Page) on
Fri, May 12, 06 at 12:33

oh my gosh, did you guys see the AGA Legacy thread? Check out the new Heartland products (now AGA/Heartland). Can you tell what competition they are going after?? :)

At least I know where to go if my Mass. approval falls through!!!

Here is a link that might be useful: New Heartland Ranges Fall 2006
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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 32


* Posted by pamela1 (My Page) on
Fri, May 12, 06 at 13:14

Oh yes, and look at what La Cornue is doing.
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"....
Pamela

Here is a link that might be useful: New Cluny-clone CornueFe range
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Better link



* Posted by pamela1 (My Page) on
Fri, May 12, 06 at 13:19

Sorry--here is a better link to the CornueFe 110 range. The oven doors side-swing...a great new design feature. Maybe others will copy IT.
P.

Here is a link that might be useful: Better CornueFe link
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What?


* Posted by pamela1 (My Page) on
Fri, May 12, 06 at 13:22

Jeez--I've been away too long.
Last try...
P.

Here is a link that might be useful: CornueFe at Purcell Murray
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* Posted by wareaglegirl (My Page) on
Fri, May 12, 06 at 14:50

This has been such a great site! I have learned so much about lacanche from reading all of the threads. Just changed my entire kitchen design to accomodate the Sully. Ordered yesterday....should arrive in September. Thank you everyone!

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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 32


* Posted by elliebell (My Page) on
Fri, May 12, 06 at 15:17

Ipolk - we are hanging tough on that Massachusetts approval! That Heartland Range may work as well, but where's the charm?? Keep the faith.

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Fri, May 12, 06 at 16:49

Val-
Check out the Lacanche Blog at the site below. I know Zolablue has a unique hood. Bosche. Warren ("stainless Lacanche," I think is how it's listed). I thought there were a couple others...but I can't recall.

WarEagleGirl-
Congrats! So...hey, we need more details! Color? Trim? Etc!! (PS "Go Dawgs!" ;0) )

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RE: Lacanche Ranges part 32

* Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on
Fri, May 12, 06 at 21:52

Val: are you in Marin Co.? We live in the East Bay. We went with a custom hood from rangecraft. 42" for our cluny, which is slightly under 40". They produced the hood with our odd bal specs. We needed the vent to be out the back but not on center to take advantage of a pre-existing hole. Top quality production, exactly to out specs.

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* Posted by drec1500 (My Page) on
Sat, May 13, 06 at 6:30

My wife and I have just ordered a Sully+2 (the kind that momto4kids has) Very Excited.

This forum has been great...I know more than the distibuter in some instances. (we live in Spain)

We ordered ours with the French Cooktop, the single 5Kw burner, the two standard burners and an electric griddle, I dont think that the griddle is available in the US models. I was considering adding 2 additional burners since I have the real estate available but I like the idea of having open work surfaces right on the hob and with this layout. I think I have tremendous flexibility.

I chose one of the two side cabinets to have the warming element. Has anyone here have experience with using them. I understan that you can slow cook in them...I'm thinking ribs, oatmeal, yum.

The distributer is pretty excited since she told us that this will be the largest Lacanche range installed in Spain to date...Woo Hoo!

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Sat, May 13, 06 at 11:08

drec1500-
Congrats on your Sully+2!! How exciting! Both of my side cabinets are Warming Cupboards. They are terrific!! I am so pleased with them. Yes, you can do plenty of proofing, slow-roasting and low temp cooking! I had warming drawer in my last house. The WC is so much more flexible. I can put bigger (taller) pots in. I can fit a lot more food in the WC than in the WD. I keep my dinner plates on one rack so I always have warm plates. I have burners over the entire surface, but the far right. I have the ss work surface over the righthand WC. Yes, it is nice to have that space! Good luck! You'll enjoy it!

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* Posted by maringirl (My Page) on
Sat, May 13, 06 at 15:11

Congratulations to the fellow new Lacanche owners! I can't wait to get mine out of the garage!

Bake_Sale -- I do live in Marin -- what material/shape is your hood?

Momto4kids -- I really like the softness of your plaster hood. Does the front panel have a curve on it as well as the sides? Also, what material did you use to fill in the gaps between the liner and the shell on the underside?

Does anyone have advise on CFMs? Thanks!

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Sun, May 14, 06 at 12:47

We went with 1200 cfm's in our VAH liner. We do lots of grilling and sizzling, smokey stuff, so we need that. If your cooking style is different, 900 may be fine. DH loves to pre-heat the grill for overly long periods of time while we have an appetitizer, so I am always jumping up to make sure enough fans are running in the VAH when I see the smoke stating upwards. He set the smoke alarm off last week because he did not pay attention and get the vent working soon enough. Kind of a reckless cook, but I have to appreciate his zeal!

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* Posted by maringirl (My Page) on
Mon, May 15, 06 at 10:42

Hi annaleef -- Can you remind me which model you have? How high over the range did you mount your liner? Did you center the liner over your burners? Thanks!

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Mon, May 15, 06 at 13:12

Maringirl...so sorry to not address your questions! I believe I have two of the BH240PSLD units, which are listed at 600 CFMs with 900 CFM equivalents. I don't have any venting issues, I feel. I think everything gets pulled out. I don't see greasy, grimey stuff. It never gets smokey. I think it's enough.

Here is a link to pictures of my hood during installation. The frame is 2 by 2-inch or 2 by 3-inch wrapped in stainless steel sheeting. The liner is mounted inside the frame. Underneath, all exposed parts are stainless...whther it's the stainless liner...or the frame that was wrapped in stainless steel. The sides and front exterior (decorative) part of the hood are all curved. The plaster, I think, is just the "usual" stucco most faux painters use, but smoothed down a bit so it wasn't so rough.

Let me know if the link doesn't work...or email me and I'll email them to you. The pictures aren't quite as clear as I thought regarding what is ss-wrapped 2 by 2 vs what is the actual liner itself!!

Here is a link that might be useful: Hood pictures
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* Posted by wareaglegirl (My Page) on
Tue, May 16, 06 at 15:21

Momto4kids: Sorry it took me a few days to respond. I have been reading other appliance threads. We ordered the black Sully with 2 extra 11K burners. I really wanted the WC, but could not fit it in. I will get a Wolf WD for somewhere else.

Now I am trying to figure out the rest of the appliances. We close on an 80 year old house in one month and start remodeling immediately. Hopefully, we will be able to take down the partial wall between the breakfast room and the kitchen. We won't know until we tear in to it. Did I mention it is an original exterior wall and is 12 inches thick? Once we know if it can come down....then we can finalize the other appliances. But the Lacanche stays.....No matter what!!!

The house has a subzero refrigerator only and NO FREEZER! The people who lived there had "issues" with frozen food. I have absolutely NO PROBLEMS with ice cream. They also have an ice machine that sounds like someone is breaking in to the house with a sledge hammer. Guess I should replace that! Anyways....I am thrilled to have the range worked out!
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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Tue, May 16, 06 at 16:15

Congrats Wareaglegirl!!

Okay...I'm gonna throw you a curve ball...Is there anyway you can squeeze in the WC? I ask because I had a WD in my last house. I had planned for two in this house until I found the Lacanche. I got two WCs since I had planned two WDs. The WC, in my humble opinion(!), is INFINITELY more versatile than the WD. So...just my two cents...but if it's not totally out of the question, just give it another thought!

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* Posted by wareaglegirl (My Page) on
Wed, May 17, 06 at 5:03

Oh..how I wish. No, I really tried to cram the WC in. My husband really loved the WC too. I wish they made a separate WC. I could have fit that in on another wall or in the island.

We sold our old house faster than we close on the new house. So we are living in a condo....kind of like a vacation. Last night, my husband came home later than normal and I attempted to keep warm his dinner in the hotpoint 30" oven. Pretty dried out when he came home. Very funny. Could have used a WC or WD.

* Posted by drec1500 (My Page) on
Wed, May 17, 06 at 8:17

wareaglegirl, have you thought about the Fontenay? It is 59.25 inches and has two WC's. The only thing is that is has only 1 oven, albeit a large one. You also have more options for goodies on the hob, at least in the european models (a gas barbeque, a deep fryer or a bain-marie. A Sully with only 1 WC is 71 inches, you can put it either on the left or right. A Cluny with 1 WC would be the same size as a standard Sully. You would get 2 ovens (smallish) and your WC. Plus you could add extra burners to the hob or just have additional work space.

* Posted by wareaglegirl (My Page) on
Wed, May 17, 06 at 18:49

I actually was torn between getting the Cluny 1400 and the Sully. After reading the posts....I decided to get the Sully. I think Momto4kids said at one point that she would give up her WCs first, then go to the Cluny.

I do alot of baking. A few weeks ago, I made 98 cupcakes for my 2 children's class parties and Sunday school classes. I actually went to Williams-Sonoma with a measuring tape. Most things fit fine in the Cluny, but there were a few that just don't. We eat turkey more often than Thanksgiving. I brine the turkey and cook cornbread dressing, the whole thing. I wish Lacanche had a cluny and a sully sized ovens. BTW did everyone know that an All-Clad lasagna pan and the All-Clad small roaster are the same size but with different shaped handles. $50 difference in price.


* Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on
Wed, May 17, 06 at 20:50

wareaglegirl: I've posted this before, but if you are an all-clad chick, you need to know the cheapest place to get it that I have been able to find. They are, essentially, the factory seconds store. Of all the pieces I have purchased, I have yet to see what the defect was. Plus, full warrenty.They just had a sale where you could get up to 48% off retail. I think they do that twice yearly. If you contact them, they will send you a sale catalog.
(the small roaster was $117 on their sale)

Here is a link that might be useful: Cookware & More web site
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* Posted by maringirl (My Page) on
Wed, May 17, 06 at 21:40

momto4kids -- thank you so much for the info and the link to your pictures. I'm showing the pictures to my contractor.

Wareaglegirl -- I was in the exact same quandry over a year ago and got lots of great input from this forum. I also talked to Tom at AC who said that if you do a lot of roasting (mostly what I use my oven for), the Sully sized oven provides easier access for basting, turning etc. The one criticsm I've seen of the Lacanche is that the racks don't slide that easily. Since I really wanted the WC too, I ended up with the Chambertin (one Sully-sized oven and a WC), 43 1/2" wide, with an 18K open burner, FT and two smaller burners. I got a 36" electric convection wall oven for my second oven. Since everything is in the garage, I can't say how it is working out yet! The only thing I question is whether I should have given up the aesthetics of the larger range (I love the scale of the Sully). As I over think all of the details, I am very comforted by the fact that everyone seems blissfully happy with whatever model they chose!

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Thu, May 18, 06 at 0:44

maringirl-
To answer your questions, we have the Cluny and we mounted the outer capture wood hood at 36 inches over the range at the centerpoint (liner is 39 inches above). The trim and lights take up the first 10 forward inches under the hood, and the front burners are only partially under that part.

This hood is actually a dream & very efficient. There is no problem when we actually turn on the fans and don't leave grill and griddle on without food for extended periods (as one of us is known to do!).

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* Posted by susanandmarkw (My Page) on
Thu, May 18, 06 at 2:29

Just FYI for any Lacanche fans in the Oklahoma City area. We visited the Designer Showhouse this week and the kitchen features a brass/gold Lachanche range (with french top).

It's open for viewing through May 21, 20006.

Here is a link that might be useful: Oklahoma City Designer Show House
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* Posted by janieo (My Page) on
Fri, May 19, 06 at 0:52

As a result of all the wonderful Lacanche posts, I have made an emotional decision to get the Vougeot. However, I really, really want to see one in person before I put in the order. Is there anyone who lives in the Los Angeles area who would be willing to let me open their oven door and turn on the hobs of their Volnay or Vougeot? I would be most appreciative if you would respond on this site; I will pass on my e-mail. Thank you so much in advance.
Janie O

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* Posted by maringirl (My Page) on
Fri, May 19, 06 at 13:33

Hi Janie -- Stan or Tom at AC can arrange for you to see a Lacanche in your area. That's what I did before I ordered. It was more out of curiosity though because I knew I was going to get one!

analeef -- thank you for the info. I have now ordered my VAH liner!

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* Posted by janieo (My Page) on
Fri, May 19, 06 at 20:14

Hi Maringirl, thanks for the suggestion. A few weeks ago I spoke with AC about referrals but they said L.A. is a unique place (surprise, surprise) and he has had trouble getting people to call back when he has called about personal visits. That's why I decided to use this forum. I hope I change that pattern when I finally get mine...
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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Sun, May 21, 06 at 21:29

Ivette:
I haven't kept up with too many postings lately. Are we going to see the unveiling of that French Blue Cluny in its natural CwnPt habitat anytime soon or are you still buried in painting and drywall?

Did I remember that right or is it Portuguese Blue? My memory is fading, fading!
ALF

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* Posted by liz01770 (My Page) on
Mon, May 29, 06 at 20:08

I was browsing real estate ads on Realtor.com last night (pathetic hobby of mine) in Old Lyme, CT and I came across a beautiful house on the CT river with a gorgeous kitchen featuring a LaCanche range. For all you fans, take a peek. It is my new dream kitchen. You will find the house in the 1.9m price range and it is a stately yellow antique colonial.

In the meanwhile, I am waiting eagerly to find out how AC's visit to Massachusetts goes this week to get listed. Obstacle number 2 would be to get my husband to see the value in a $10K range. :( Thanks to all you guys, I have become hooked.

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Mon, May 29, 06 at 20:34

Hi anna!

Soooo lucky I just happened to check in on this thread and saw your note! So sweet of you to check in.

Still immersed in drywall dust and Joel's "Level Five Finish" WHATeverrrrrrr. But that's all done now and he just complete the shell for our custom hood cover tonight and put the VAH in place!!! YAY!! The Lacanche is still in its location but not "plugged" in yet. But it should be very soon! After this week and next, we'll pretty much be in the painting stage. Which will take weeks, but man, it's the home stretch! Sort of.

No, we have the French Blue. But both are beautiful.

Ivette

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Tue, May 30, 06 at 0:13

Wonderful progress, Ivette! You are past all the infrastructure that is important, but so slow and invisible to the eye, and finally into the finishes - exciting! You have such a classic color palette lined up to complement your French Blue Cluny. Can't wait to see how it comes together.

Used our simmering plate for the FIRST time tonight and made gumbo in our 6 quart Emile Henry stewpot. It was perfectly cooked, after bringing it to a boil on Cluny's 18,000 BTU center burner, then moving it over to the simmering plate to finish it off. I discovered I was out of rice after starting the gumbo, so I threw in a few handfuls of orzo as it moved to the simmering plate. Wouldn't that curl the toes of friends in the bayou! But, yumm! Don't know why it took so long to remember to try the plate out!

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Tue, May 30, 06 at 18:18

OMG, droooooooooooool.

:)
Ivette


* Posted by pdjcmb (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 2, 06 at 14:53

Our burgundy red cluny is set to arrive this month - we're very excited!

But because our contractors are ahead of schedule, and our lacanche seems to have fallen about a week behind, we're looking for extra reassurance on one point: has anyone successfully installed cabinets around the cluny based on specs alone? I've been reassured by AC that measurements are very reliable with the regular cluny, and in our configuration, the cluny is near the end of a cabinet run, with only 1 base cabinet between it & open space. Have any others installed surrounding base cabinets before placing the range with no problems? Thanks!!

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* Posted by mwardlb (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 2, 06 at 14:58

janieo - I have a cluny1400 sitting in my garage in Long Beach if you are still interested in seeing a range in person. It should be installed in the next month or so, but you are more than welcome to open the doors and take a peek.
Michele

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* Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 2, 06 at 17:28

pdgcmb - Contractors ahead of schedule - imagine! We installed our Cluny after our cabinets and it fit like a glove. No problems at all. How exciting that you're so close! You'll have to post a picture when everything is in place. Good luck!

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* Posted by bertie_d (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 2, 06 at 17:35

YAYYYYYYYY!!Soooooo Happy!!!! We are back in Oregon..Kitchen 99.5% complete and the French blue Cluny looks fabulous..We couldn't be happier. Have cooked just enough to see the FT start to "season? I will let that happen and fuss over everything else... I love everything about this stove!!!and look forward to learning all of the little nuances of cooking on it. The kitchen is everything i dreamed it would be and more.. I will post photos when the last little bits of construction are finished. Meanwhile. "Hi" to all of you regulars and the many newbies..and thanks again for all of the info..Bertie

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* Posted by janieo (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 2, 06 at 20:57

Michele, thanks so much for your kind offer. I might well take you up on it; preferably once it is installed. However, earlier today I called Art Culinaire and found someone in Boston with a Vouget. My son is graduating next week (thank goodness) and we will be in Cambridge for five days. If we can find our way to the North Boston suburbs we can possibly see one there. We are still organizing the visit but if it doesn't work I will let you know. Thanks again for your kind offer and I hope your Cluny is all you hope it to be.
Janie O

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* Posted by pdjcmb (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 3, 06 at 13:37

wilsonb: thank you -- I'll worry less now. By the way, I saw your own finished photos in the gallery -- your kitchen is truly beautiful.

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* Posted by alexia717 (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 10, 06 at 11:25

Hello, I am new to this forum, and have been reading your reviews for the Lacanche ranges. Like others, I am worried about ordering a range without actually seeing one in person. I live in New York and AC has not succeeded in having anyone let me view their range. By any chance, does anyone in NY have a range they would let me view??

My KD needs me to make a decision asap so he can go ahead with the designing. I am debating going with the Cluny with separate wall oven, or with the Sully. I looked at the Wolf 60" range and it just looked too monstrous. I am wondering if the Sully would look overwhelmingly huge too.?

Thanks!

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* Posted by bertie_d (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 10, 06 at 15:17

Alexia, Many of us have purchased our laCanche Ranges "sight unseen:. Short of seeing one in person check out the LaCanche Web Site, www.frenchranges .com. View the Gallery. You can get a great perspective seeing them in so many beautiful kitchens. When I considered the big Wolf or Vikings I felt a lot like you do..Too klunky and industrial looking for my taste. We have a Cluny in blue and it is so much more refined looking. No comparison.. I'm sure you would be pleased..especially with the extra wall ovens. Cluny ovens are small, but extremnely efficient. The Only problem for me so far, and I am asking the seasoned Cluny users out there for help on this...I baked a two layer carrot cake today. Since the two 9 inch pans would not fit on one rack I placed one below the other on the rack just beneath. turned out beautifully, cooked in less time and very evenly baked. except the bottom layer rose into the rack above..oops???? should I use the bottom rack? I would appreciate your sharing advice on this one. Thanks, Bertie.....and good luck Alexia.

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* Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 10, 06 at 15:45

alexia -- I'm another one who purchased a Lacanche (Cluny 1400 black) sight unseen. We had it installed about 3+ weeks ago and it was "exactly" what I thought it would be. There were absolutely no surprises since I frequented this Lacanche forum for the year we were in planning. I saw tons of pictures and heard so many different things about the Lacanche (including the negatives). Would I buy one again sight unseen? Yep. But I really don't think I would have been brave enough without everyone on this board and all the info they shared over time.

Everyone -- We have been in "move in" hell since May 15th when our move started. We finally vacated our rental home on May 31st and are still unpacking in the new home. The Lacanche has barely been used (so very sad, I know). It's also BBQ weather so my DH loves to do that. I plan on taking photos of our kitchen and Lacanche in the next week and will post them here. It looks great in its new home! Oh! And I do plan on doing more than warming up take-out pizza and making scrambled eggs on it. We are "leaving" it for the Summer in less than two weeks so it will really sit unused for a number of weeks. But come this Fall, it will finally get the attention it deserves!

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* Posted by histokitch (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 10, 06 at 16:16

Alexia--I don't have a Lacanche, but a client does. It is more beautiful and finely finished in person than they can possibly show on the internet. If you are planning on wall ovens at all, might I suggest the Vougeot (or Volnay) that has one larger (Sully) oven, one warming cabinet and the same burner configuration as the Cluny. I'm going to do that in all gas and get an electric wall oven.

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* Posted by alexia717 (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 10, 06 at 20:11

Hi, and thank you for sharing your information and suggestions with me. I have been looking at ranges in the past month. Currently, I have the Viking double wall ovens with the 36" cooktop. My kitchen and appliances ar 6 years old and the ovens needed service about 6 times. Now I am moving AGAIN, and renovating AGAIN (HEEELLP.) This time I was looking at the Wolf ovens, but decided I wanted something different. The commercial look seems to be all over the place lately, and being that I had it already I was looking for something different. My KD had the Lacornu in his showroom, and when I first saw it, I began to drool...when I saw the price tag, I almost fainted. I went on the internet and began looking for French stoves with the same look and smaller price tag, and that is how I came across the Lacanches.

I have spoken to the people at AC several times, but still worried about ordering something that cost so much without seeing it. Today, I spent hours reading the forums and feel like I'm going ahead with the Lacanche. The only worry I have is with the service. AC gave me some numbers in my area of authorized service people...but when I called them, they never even heard of Lacanche. How can AC list them as authorized services, if the never even heard of the stoves?

Today, I also spoke to my KD who said the 55" would look better in my kitchen. Now I have to decide on which way to go....the Cluny 1400 with a separate wall oven (I definitely need a large size oven when I entertain) OR the Sully.....this model cost so much, that I cannot get the wall oven (Husband will shoot me if I go this route)....but I still worry that these ovens will still not be big enough or that their broiler is not good. Also, I worry that the warming oven on the Cluny will not be large enough to hold any of my larger pans when I entertain....Still confused!!!

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 10, 06 at 22:57

alexia717,

If you want to see a standard Cluny (not the Cluny1400) in person for comparison's sake and you don't mind driving to Connecticut, you are welcome to see ours - just e-mail me.
I know there are some other owners in NY, NJ & CT as well who post here.

AnnaLeeF

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* Posted by alexia717 (My Page) on
Sun, Jun 11, 06 at 9:46

AnnaleeF,
Thank you so much for the offer. It is so kind of you. I just may take you up on the offer....I am still hoping someone from NY will respond.

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* Posted by elliebell (My Page) on
Sun, Jun 11, 06 at 12:42

Alexia717 - I have researched the Lacanche from every angle. I too am buying it unseen. A real leap and only possible because of the wealth of testimonials on line. I'm going with the Cluny (Frangipane will be the color!) because it's best for my kitchen layout and the size is proportionate to everything else. I also agonized about the size of the ovens and concluded the two smaller ovens are going to be just fine. Based on all you describe about your situation - especially that the bigger will look better - I'd go with the Sully and get the two bigger ovens.

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 12, 06 at 22:05

Alexia - any luck finding a NY owner?

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 13, 06 at 18:40

annalee, momto4kids and others:

How high (tall) is your Lacanche??? We have run into a problem. Wére doing cherry counters and the total height of our counters and cabinets is 36" which, by the Lacanche specs should be alright. BUT as it stands now, the top of our grates are only just slightly above the top of the counter. The range is at 35 and some odd inches high TOTAL. We feel like we should be able to adjust it taller, but it appears like we've maxed it out. How high can this thing go? And when you guys adjusted your hight, did you have to move the screw to a different part of the range? We're off to look at the Lacanche unpacking video for clues, but I'm just curious. I guess if we can't make it any taller, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. DH is convinced all will be well, because the TOP of the grate is above the counter, but I'd prefer that the difference be greater. But the counters are at 36" and the range appears to be as high as it will go, so I don't understand how anyone can have 36" high cabinets/counters and not have the top of the grates be almost flush. Unless we're missing something in the height adjustment?

Thanks,
Ivette

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* Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 13, 06 at 19:17

Ivette: Don't recall for sure, but I thought there was something about moving (or reversing?) the feet to get it higher. Just call them.

Joe

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 13, 06 at 19:24

Our Cluny came with the feet attached already. In looking at the uncrating slide show, it appears that they put the feet where the pallet bolts USED to be. Do we need to move them from where they came attached, and install them where the pallet bolts were? Calling AC tomorrow.

Thanks,
Ivette

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 13, 06 at 19:26

thanks Joe. Sounds like a *clue*.

Ivette

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 15, 06 at 8:24

Ivette:
Maybe you have figured out the foot adjustment by now. Measuring is so tricky! Our Cluny's stainless steel edge sits maybe a 1/16 of an inch above our counters and the grates add maybe another 3/4", not including the higher sections. As I remember, the installers did adjust the feet to get it to the right height.
You must be getting closer!!!!

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* Posted by lpolk (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 15, 06 at 10:45

Hi all, just wanted to announce here as well as the other thread that Lacanches are now legal in MA! yay!! I'm ordering a black cluny today. :)

Thanks to Art Culinaire for their efforts. I can stop lurking and start participating here! At least in October, yikes, which delays my kitchen 3 months! Cutting it close for the holidays...

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* Posted by elliebell (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 15, 06 at 11:46

Hi Ipolk - congratualtions, I'm sure it's going to be worth the wait. It sounds like the approval process was much ado about not much - welcome to the Baystate! I am getting a Cluny too - the color I am leaning toward is Frangipane - sort of a taupe color. I think it will look great with my sage green cabinets. Good luck.

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 15, 06 at 20:16

Hi! AC called us back today and sure enough, the feet need to go in the same location as the bolts were that attached it to the pallet for shipping. The place where they place them for shipping is JUST for shipping. No wonder we couldn't get it high enough. DH told them they really need to make this clearer in the instructions and the slide show.

Kind of a pain because it's in already, but DH assures me he can adjust it no problem. I am THRILLED because I cannot tell you how much sleep I have lost over this range being too low. Now it will be just right! I just want the tope of the range (not the burners) to be flush or just slightly above the counters. Then all will be well. Like yours Annalee! We are getting close! The floors are GORGEOUS and I start painting this weekend and DH is finishing up the kitchen! (then we have to finish the bathrooms, and will take me forever to paint, but hey, Close is CLOSE!)

Best,
Ivette

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* Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 15, 06 at 21:16

Ivette - Congratulations! You must be so excited!
lpolk - That's great about MA. I went to the AC website to take a peek at Frangipane, but they don't have the new colors posted. It sounds gorveous.

bertie - I have a Cluny, and I use the bottom rack for baking. It works fine, but I do switch the pans halfway through the baking process to make sure that they bake evenly. Sometimes one rack cooks a bit faster.

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* Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 15, 06 at 23:13

Well, my little ivory Cormatin is finally on its way....scheduled for delivery next week! Which should make me very very excited.....except I am STILL without a gas line! After months of working with the gas company and city to get written confirmation that some insanely expensive street restoration requirements would NOT apply to our gas line installation, once the gas company finally came out to do the installation of the line about a month ago, they decided they couldn't install on the side of the building approved by the condo association (and previously OK'e by the gas company) without having some part of the gas line on the neighbor's property (an apartment building). So the last month has been spent working with the gas company to track down who exactly owns the building next door, and see if they will agree to an easement. Still no word yet, but I am hopeful. If that doesn't work out, its back to negotiating a different meter location with the condo association....ugh, I'll be so happy to have THIS part of my remodel out of the way...and get that range installed (...and counters, and backsplash...!)

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* Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 15, 06 at 23:17

Oh yeah....and here is a link to the new color samples I scanned from a hard copy I picked up at Art Culinaire awhile back....love that Frangipane!

Kelly

Here is a link that might be useful: New Colors
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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 16, 06 at 10:20

Good luck klb. Can I just say that your hood is TO DIE for? It's beautiful!

And please don't take this the wrong way, but your microwave set up under the hood gave me a chuckle.

Ivette

P.S. WOW those new colors are nice!

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* Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 16, 06 at 15:43

Oh Kelly, you're being so patient. I can't believe that next week you'll be looking at your Cormatin and still uncertain when you'll be able to use it. Hang in there!

Thanks for posting the colors. I'm glad that they weren't available when I ordered our Cluny, or else I would have been forced to design a kitchen around Sologne green - probably much more difficult than ivory (and not found anywhere else in our house - but boy is it gorgeous!)

I'd love to see a Frangipan sample - looks a bit richer than the ivory. They're all beautiful!

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* Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 16, 06 at 16:34

wilsonB - we got our cluny in sologne green. I still love the color but it is much lighter and less green than the sample. I'd call it olive.

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* Posted by alexia717 (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 16, 06 at 21:43

Thanks to everyone's testimonials on this forum, I finally ordered my Lacanche, Cluny 1400, sight unseen. I was not able to locate anyone in NY who would let me see their range (AnnaleeF in Connecticut offered, but was a little too far.) After reading for hours and hours on this site, I finally felt confident that I will be making a right choice in ordering the Lacanche. Ryan from AC helped me choose the right oven for me (I will still order a 30" convection wall oven, for when I entertain) The tough part was the color. I loved the red, but was too scared to get it, so I ordered the black. They have one on reserve, so I will be getting it by the end of September. Hopefully, my construction and cabinets will be done by then!!
I got the classic top with the French simmer plate on top of the warmer. It bothers me that the thing will discolor...I like everything to look clean...so I dont know if I made the right choice by getting that. Other than that, I'm very excited!!!

Again, thanks to all who volunteered their information on the Lacanches.....you guys are a big help!!

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 17, 06 at 10:11

I've been MIA since Mother's Day. Lots of action here!

Ivette...woohooooo! I expect to be invited over for an "in-person" viewing!!

alexia717...congrats! You will absolutely love this range. I also ordered sight unseen and couldn't be happier. I have the FT, too, and I love, love, love using it. Welcome to our family!!

Kelly...are you sure you don't just wnat to keep that set-up with the MW under the hood? LOL!!! Very funny picture! You should save that one for future use! Can't wait to see your beautiful range in that spot!

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* Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 17, 06 at 15:34

I'm just happy that I was finally able to move my temporary kitchen into my permanent kitchen....and that I have a working sink and dishwasher again! But it will be nice to permanently retire the hotplate!

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 17, 06 at 15:52

Deb: Please send me an email, it's time we got together!

Best,
Ivette

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Sun, Jun 18, 06 at 10:46

Whoo hoo! It worked!!! The Cluny is fully one inch higher than it was and the legs are now adjusted only half way up, so there's room to grow if need be. This height feels good though and the counters are now slightly below the level of the range top, let alone the burners. YAY!

Just had to share. Now, maybe SOMEDAY I'll get to fire this thing up.

Ivette

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* Posted by wascolette (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 22, 06 at 12:16

Looking at the new colors, I was wondering if anyone regrets not being more daring, and getting a color instead of the basic black?

We are still in the building phase. Drywall finally going up in the kitchen. Since my DH is the sole builder of our house, it's been a slow, long process, and he doesn't want to order the Cluny yet. Even though he promises to build the cabinets around the Cluny specs.

Last year they had a beautiful color called Aubergine, which was a deep purple-like color. I was very close to ordering it because it was so beautiful, but as I said, my DH wanted to wait a bit longer. Now I never see it on the reserve list or in the new color samples. Plus I was a little afraid that I would get tired of it and was leaning toward the black anyway.

Does anyone wish they had bit the bullet and gotten one of the beautiful colors instead of black?

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 22, 06 at 15:29

Wascolette...I love my black range; although, I do admit to envy (or lust!) when I see others who get colors! I wish I had the nerve! I'm too much of a chicken! Maybe my next one will be a color!!

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* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 22, 06 at 18:23

DW and I don't regret buying our black Cormatin. We have a small kitchen so limiting the number of colors makes sense. When we're done, we'll have four kitchen colors: black (range, hood, countertops, cabinet hardware), white (sink, backsplash, fridge), natural pine (cabinets) and green (walls). The maple countertop on the range side closely matches the pine. The oak parquet floor extends through the whole living area so it won't "read" as another color in the kitchen.

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 22, 06 at 19:10

Black is ALWAYS right. You cannot go wrong.

Ivette

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* Posted by elliebell (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 22, 06 at 19:36

I was really considering the Frangipane, but opted for the Black. It just seemed like it would go with everything and I'd never grow tired of it. The stainless and brass look great with the black. Plus, let's not forget it's another $900. for the color. I waffled for two months and signed the sales order today and I am delighted. My copper saute pan and I are counting the days till Madame Lacanche arrives.

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* Posted by lpolk (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 23, 06 at 13:06

elliebell congrats! My black cluny order went in last week. She said she's getting more calls from MA. :)! I too was going to get burgundy first(I also LOVE that frangipane) but the upcharge and not having the color sample until the range got here changed my mind too. The black is classic and lovely, I can't wait until (eek) October! :)

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* Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 23, 06 at 17:24

I'm sure those black clunys are classic, but man oh man, that burgundy! (BTW elliebell, they sent me a sample of the color)

Diversity - ain't it grand.

Joe

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 23, 06 at 18:20

Indeed!

Black is beautiful, but I got French Blue!

("Frahnch" blue: anyone else remember Better Off Dead? Or am I dating myself?)

Vive la difference!

Ivette

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* Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 23, 06 at 19:42

John Cusack, 1985

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* Posted by mpsteil (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 24, 06 at 19:35

It's been a long while since I posted, but WOOHOO, we finally installed our Sully +2! Thanks Momto4kids for all your help. LOVE IT. Our cabinets were just installed yesterday - here's a picture of our new range (before the cabinets were installed).

Thank you everyone for all your input - I'm so happy we went for it and bought the range.

pamela

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 24, 06 at 20:01

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That is DIVINE.

Congratulations!

Ivette

P.S. You stole my fireplace.

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* Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on
Sun, Jun 25, 06 at 10:24

Pamela - Gorgeous! Congratulations! What a room! Can we see the cabinets too?

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Sun, Jun 25, 06 at 23:58

pamela,
What a magnificent room this is shaping up to be! The sully +2 combined with that stunning hood - wow. Is that a Lacanche hood or a custom hood? Show us the cabinets, please!

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* Posted by mpsteil (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 1, 06 at 14:19

Thanks! I'll take a picture of the cabinets, but they aren't completely finished yet... We're having a butcher block built to go next to the stove as a corner piece on the left side of the stove (kinda like w/ bulls head - butcher block) and a cabinet for the other side...we're limited on size due to the window there.

The hood was made by a sheetmetal guy friend and painted by my husband (I was nervous), but it came out great! The flooring & beams are from a 150 yr old kentucky tobacco barn. We plan to put an old mantel above the fireplace too... Now I'm picking out the countertop material and tile for the stove backsplace, but will probably due that entire wall with some sort of travertine tile.

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 1, 06 at 17:21

Pamela-
I thought I had posted...but apparently, I didn't.

Your kitchen is FABULOUS! OMIGosh it is so beautiful! Your hood turned out perfectly!

You must be one excited gal!! PLEASE do let us know when you're cooking!!

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* Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 2, 06 at 14:10

Pamela--your kitchen is truly lovely...I can't wait to see the cabinets installed!

Well, even though the gas line installation STILL isn't resolved, I just couldn't hold off on opening the crate up any longer.....even though I was lucky enough to be able to see these ranges in person before I ordered, I must have forgotten just how pretty they really are! I'm in love. And I checked...ModernAire did a perfect job matching the range hood to the range--same sheen and everything!

Two questions....in experimenting with the wok ring, it doesn't seem to quite fit on any of the burners (I ordered the four burner Cormatin, so I don't have a big burner). I seem to recall someone else having this problem....did Art Culinaire just ship the wrong sized wok ring?

Second, for whatever reason I was surprised to see a big ol' plug sticking out of the back of the range. I thought these needed to be hard wired or something. I haven't removed the panel on the back of the range to look at the electical hook up, but should I be expecting to just be able to plug it in and start baking? Or will it be necessary to hook up some wires behind the back panel first?

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* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 2, 06 at 17:46

We also received a wok ring that didn't fit on the grates of our four-burner Cormatin. I contacted AC and they sent the correct one. The one that was shipped with the range from France which didn't fit was cylindrical (straight sided). The replacement I received from AC which did fit is conical (tapered).

Our Cormatin has a gas oven so it only needed an 120V electrical connection. Nothing was wired when we received it.

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* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Mon, Jul 3, 06 at 9:20

klb_2000, I forgot to mention that we also received the wrong Portable Simmer Plate with our four-burner Cormatin. The plate for all of the other Lacanche models, including the three-burner Cormatins, has "ears" on one side that space it away from the adjacent big single grate or French top. The plate for the four-burner Cormatin does not have these "ears." Just like with the wok ring, I contacted AC and they sent me the correct part to replace the wrong one sent from the factory.

FWIW, I seldom use the wok ring because our 12" carbon steel wok nestles nicely down into the opening in the standard grate over the 15,000 BTU burner. We also have a 14" wok that works better with the wok ring but the smaller wok gets noticeably hotter and I seldom stir fry a large enough quantity of food to need the larger wok anyway.

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* Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on
Mon, Jul 3, 06 at 11:15

Thanks, Doug--sounds like I'll need to get in touch with AC to get the correct wok ring (although who knows if I'll ever really use it!) I didn't examine the simmer plate too closely, but I'll take a look--thanks for the tip!

Regarding the electrical cord, it occurred to me that they must have wired it up in order to calibrate the oven, which I believe they did (AC mentioned something like that on the phone, and "Oven" is hand written on a note on the top of the range, with a check mark next to it. Maybe this was one more advantage of living in WA.

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* Posted by xtenson (My Page) on
Tue, Jul 11, 06 at 22:40

Can anyone please measure and post the interior dimensions of the ovens of the Cluny? I can't seem to find actual dimensions anywhere.

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Wed, Jul 12, 06 at 0:37

Sure - Cluny interior measurements from their brochure:
16"W x 12"H X 18"D

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 14, 06 at 0:21

drec, maringirl, pdjcmb, mwardlb, bertie_d, klb2000, bakesale & ivette:

Pictures - we are all waiting for pictures! I know those Lacanche beauties are installed by now. Waiting for the new crop of kitchens and also anxious to see how you are progressing, pamela (mpsteil).

Ivette, we've been VERY patient - don't you have some in-progress shots to whet our appetite?

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* Posted by mwardlb (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 14, 06 at 14:49

Hello fellow Lacanchers......sadly, our Cluny 1400 is still nestled in its crate in the garage, and a couch is sitting in its place in the kitchen. I often find myself curled up on the couch, daydreaming of the day that the stove will occupy the coveted spot along the wall. I would attach pictures of the sad state of affairs here, but I am techno-unsavvy.

HOWEVER, I do need some help for our next step. Did everyone tile all the way behind the range - to the ground - or just to the top of the stove? We are going to the ground, I think, and just wanted to know what others thought of this.

I have been reading the treads and keeping up with all of the new installs and purchases, but with nothing new to add, I have been quiet. I just keep telling myself "Eventually, it will all be done, clean and beautiful!" Until then, I just curl up on the kitchen couch and dream!!!!
xo
Michele

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 14, 06 at 15:50

Michelle...I haven't gotten the tile guy to commit to a date yet...but when he does...I'm only tiling a course or two below counter height. That will go down low enough to be out of sight...in the unlikely event I move or die and take my range with me...whatever I put in its place won't leave a tile line. I wouldn't waste the tile to the floor if it will never show.

Don't know where my earlier post went...but I checked in to post just what AnnaLee did! Where are the rest of you?!!!

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* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 14, 06 at 16:17

We only tiled down far enough for the tile to disappear behind the back spacer vent because we installed the backsplash with the range in place. We have enough extra tiles stored away to continue it down to below the level of the countertop in the unlikely event that we replace our Lacanche and the new range doesn't have as high a heat riser.

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* Posted by ysop1016 (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 14, 06 at 16:29

Michele,
We have stainless steel from the floor to the cabinets above the Vent-a-Hood. We just figured with the amount of heat generated, it would be best to do it that way.
Our Cluny is almost 4 years old and it's still exciting to cook on it.

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 14, 06 at 17:56

Hi everyone! I started painting the kitchen cabinets yesterday!! Only you guys can understand exactly how and why this is so exciting! Very pleased with the color, a lovely vanilla cream. Not too white, not too yellow. Ahhhhh.

I PROMISE I am downloading off the digital as we speak! I will post an update soon.

Ivette

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 15, 06 at 11:02

Ivette - sounds like a perfect color against your Cluny.

Michele - we also tiled our Jerusalem limestone down just a few courses below the island spacer.

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* Posted by maringirl (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 15, 06 at 11:50

Hi Everyone! We been wrapped up in trying to get our project finished so that we can finally move back in. We've had that "so close yet so far" feeling for several months now. AnnaLee to answer your question, our range has migrated from the garage to the family room, where it sits about 15 feet from its final destination. Our contractor keeps telling us it is about to go in, but then he decides to do "this and that" first. I've promised to make cookies in it for everyone as soon as it is installed, but so far it is not working! Kelly and Pamela, your projects are looking so beautiful! Pitures always inspire me to keep trudging along! Val

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* Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 15, 06 at 13:30

annaleef, my Cormatin is also still in the garage, but it should be migrating into the kitchen (albeit still with no gas line) sometime next week, which will be a mini accomplishment.

Ivette....can't wait to see some pictures!

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 15, 06 at 21:03

Okay, as promised.

We've actually made more progress since this. I promise to post more recent pictures soonest. These are from about two weeks ago. Once I start getting painted cabinet fronts back in, I'll post again. But this gives you a general idea of progress.

Thank you so much for caring!!!!

Ivette

Here is a link that might be useful: Some Progress
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* Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 15, 06 at 22:17

Oooooohhhhhh...Ivette--it all looks gorgeous! That blue.... wow!

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 16, 06 at 7:58

Ivette! OMGosh!! That's one gorgeous kitchen. I'm still amazed you designed and started shopping while living abroad! I cannot wait to see the finished product! Beautiful range! Kudos to you and DH!!!! (And the little one for having patience when it would be more fun to run wild through the house!)

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 16, 06 at 8:21

Awww, thanks guys!

Well, it is in't really gorgeous YET, but it really is getting there. You guys can just envision what it WILL be.

Guess what I did???!! Omg, I messed up so bad! I started painting cabinets and was so excited about it that I just painted away never realizing that I was painting perimeter doors as well as island doors. What's the problem with that you ask? Well, the island was supposed to be a shade darker than the perimeters! LOL! Noooooot anymore they're not! This ECO stuff takes an overnight dry between coats which means it takes two days to paint one door. No way am I wasting two days of work! Besides, it is SUCH a beautiful color. Soooo, I've decided to maybe paint the separate refrigerator cabinet section, which is off by itself on another wall and contains a bookcase, the slightly different color. This could turn into a happy mistake.

Now, the cover story will be that I decided that eeeeeeeveryone does their island a different color, and IIIIIIII wanted to be different. Ergo, I made the CONSCIOUS decision to paint my island the same color and do the different color someplace else. Only you guys (and DH who is razzing me to no end about this, hee hee) will know the truth!

:)
Ivette

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 16, 06 at 9:34

That window! That sink! Naturally - that stunning range!
Ivette - it is going to be really, really wonderful - all your dreams materialized. Your patience (& DH's) is unending, to be doing this meticulous paint job yourself!
The wood countertops are a beautiful complement. Is that beadboard on the range wall? To be stained or painted?
Congrats on your progress - we are excited to see what's happening!

klb - a week will fly by!
Val - our Cluny sat 12 feet away for 4 months before install - we simply loved having it close by to see every day instead of in the garage, so it almost did not seem that long.

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 16, 06 at 10:49

Thank you thank you! The range wall is solid wood tongue and groove paneling. Believe it or not, the local fire department told us that solid wood, with six inch stainless backsplash directly behind the range, meets their fire resistance requirements. We checked. Oooookay, but I suspect I will either put a sheet of glass behind the range, or I may just tile that area. Just to be safe. I don't know, we'll see which way we go. The wall will be painted.

Thanks so much for noticing the window. We really are delighted with it. Did you catch the window fiasco with the first window we ordered for that space that was nine inches too short? Well, you can see how well worth it it was to suck it up,reorder and just replace the incorrect window.

We had another fiasco with the sink! LOL. I wanted the counter to go over the edges of the sink, but DH got it backward and gave me a positive (or is it negative, I can never remember) reveal! He went on and on, he was SO proud of how careful he was to get the exposed edges of the sink at exactly the same width on three sides. Not easy to do with a hand made sink and your own hand made counter top. I just looked at him, and said "Um, it was supposed to be the total opposite." POOR THING!! Then I just LAUGHED! Cause it's beautiful and I'm delighted and well, it CANNOT be changed. Hee hee. Oh but it gives me something to give him a hard time about and when you are married to Mr. Overachiever, who can resist?

Love to all
Ivette

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* Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 16, 06 at 11:06

Ivette - It's beautiful! All that wonderful natural light to show off your gorgeous cabinets and stove! You must be so excited. (And I love your front door!) Keep us posted. You'll be cooking soon!

Kelly - Any developments on the gas line?

Brenda

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* Posted by pdjcmb (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 16, 06 at 17:18

We are ... cooking. Our kitchen is 95% done, so we should have pictures soon -- but our cluny is fully installed & what fun we are having! Especially with stir fry -- we have such fantastic results with the wok ring over the main burner, we may never order Chinese delivery again. Our lacanche is by far the best thing about our new kitchen ... & we'd never have known about it but for the lacanche threads on this forum!

Ivette - your in-progress pictures are beautiful. And I have to thank you for another reason ... your post from a couple weeks ago about the feet having to change position was so helpful to us; we had a similar issue, and you saved us making (yet another) call to AC. Though I must say, they are very helpful -- we couldn't be happier with their after sales support.

More updates to follow, and I look forward to hearing more about all the other new kitchens, too!

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Mon, Jul 17, 06 at 16:47

pdjcmb:

I'm glad it helped! We felt very silly about the whole thing, but were so relieved because it was a real problem.

All the best,
Ivette

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* Posted by annaleef (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 20, 06 at 0:26

pdjcmb,
Exciting times in your kitchen. I know your hubby was interested in the French top - probably a little too warm with this heat wave to be using it this week, but I bet it's a great feature to have handy. Didn't you also go with Crown Point cabinets?

Ivette: the details loom very large while we are in the process, but I bet you will not even notice the sink reveal in a few months; there will be so many other wonderful features to enjoy.

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* Posted by pdjcmb (My Page) on
Mon, Jul 24, 06 at 16:26

annaleef,
The heat notwithstanding, we tried out the French top to make a stew in our Le Crueset dutch oven -- the traditional top was a pleasure to use. Once it's cooler weather, we'll do more experimenting. And yes, we did go with Crown Point cabinets -- another choice we're happy with. I've noticed that many who choose lacanche, also choose Crown Point!

For all,
As we've unpacked our cookware to move into the new kitchen, the one piece of cookware we've discovered that must be replaced is our roasting pan (which was far too long for our new oven). Does anyone have a roasting pan they recommend? We need one that will both hold a sizable turkey and fit comfortably in the Cluny.

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* Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on
Mon, Jul 24, 06 at 17:26

Hi all! - I have a silly range hood question for you experts....where do you all find these cool hoods?? We're looking at ordering and installing a Cluny 1400 in Burgundy(went to AC to touch and feel one a couple of months back...ooohhh!! LOVE IT!). Everyone seems to be using Vent-a-Hood, but when I go to their website I don't see ANYTHING like what klb 2000 has - with colors and s-t-y-l-e!! Are you all purchasing VAH for the "guts" of the hoods and then creating a super-cool "cover"?? Think that I received an email from AC a while back pertaining to hoods, but I didn't print it out and it has now vanished! :-) I would really appreciate some insight into this area now that we've FINALLY started to move forward. Thanks!

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* Posted by hostagirl1 (My Page) on
Mon, Jul 24, 06 at 19:55

What is the best height to install a Grohe pot filler over our Lacanche? Some say 18 inches splashes too much....any ideas or suggestions on how it works for you?

Thanks,

Nina

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* Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on
Mon, Jul 24, 06 at 22:04

Well, my range is STILL sitting in the garage because my contractor hasn't shown up to bring it in yet. And I'm STILL waiting for news on the gas line, although I'm very hopeful that I'll be receiving good news in the next few days.

Honeysmomcooks, awww, thanks for the compliment on the hood. My hood is actually from Modern-Aire. Like Vent a Hood, they are able to match to the RAL colors (I can't remember if the Burgandy is a RAL color or not). Also, since they don't have any local distributors in Seattle, I was able to buy directly from Modern-Aire at considerable savings ( my 30 inch 600 CFM hood was something like $1300, much cheaper for me than the comparable Vent a Hood in a custom color). I think you are in the NW too, so I suspect you might be able to get the same good deal from them, if you are interested.

Ventahood DOES have some very attractive models, including the Excalibur that looks a lot like my hood in terms of the shape -- look at wilsonb's kitchen in the gallery. I think you can probably add on bands if you like for a fee. Last time I looked, not all the models were viewable on the Ventahood website (look at the thread titled something like "VentaHood models discontinued?" for more info on that)

Also, take a look at uncletoad's great painted Ventahood over a red Aga--gorgeous!

Kelly

Here is a link that might be useful: Uncletoad's red aga and hood
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* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Tue, Jul 25, 06 at 9:37

A temporary problem with the VAH web site that was blown way out of proportion by one poster to the other thread. It's fixed now. All of the hood styles are viewable.

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* Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on
Tue, Jul 25, 06 at 11:39

klb_2000 - Thanks for directing me over to the Modern Aire website! Now THAT's the sort of thing that I was looking for! Would LOVE to have a matching burgundy hood to go with my range. Yes, we are about 45 minutes drive plus a ferry ride west of Seattle, so should be able to order direct as well. Will contact them this week to find out more.....Good luck to you in finally getting your Lacanche into the house! (and the microwave out to the garage??!!)

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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Tue, Jul 25, 06 at 16:53

Hi to all...I am now an official "wannabe". I have been drooling over the catalog for the past few days and reading what I can here. I haven't made it through all 32 threads yet but did a quick search and am looking for feedback.

The problem is venting - or the inability to vent specifically. We are not able to vent up/out in our kitchen. We need a ventless/ductless recirculating option. Anyone other Lacanche owners out there with any creative ideas? VAH has no options. Haven't checked with Modern Aire yet. Prestige has one but I was looking for any other ideas. Our space is 30". I would be looking at the Cormatin.

Also, any other Cormatin owners fill an existing spot (30") instead of new/complete remodel? I am drawing out creative ideas to fill that extra 2" that will be left.

DH is thinking I'm nuts since we just got a new JA but these ranges have put a whole new spin on things! It will be great with my hopefully-soon-to-be-installed soapstone countertops.

And finally, anyone in ATL that I could chat with? Warren?

Thanks in advance,
Maria

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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 27, 06 at 14:00

Sorry - ignore previous post - I reposted. Take care,

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* Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 27, 06 at 18:00

pdjcmb: I have an allclad model I like and I think it is about as large as will fit a cluny oven. There is a link below for the cheapest allclad I have been able to find.

Maria: we currently have our cluny unvented. We purchased it when our previous oven croaked, but we are not ready for our kitchen renovation yet.When we remodel we will definitely be venting. Currently, what I notice is
a) it gets hot working in front of that puppy without a vent.
b) deep frying odors tend to stick around longer.

It is near a door, which is mostly open (we live in san diego) and we have good ventilation thru our kitchen anyway.

joe

Here is a link that might be useful: allclad outlet store
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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 27, 06 at 18:19

Joe - thanks! We are in GA so the door/windows will work well here too!

I've ordered color samples and more info.

Now, I'm trying to figure out a way to convince hubby..... :)

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 27, 06 at 18:35

plumorchard:

All I had to do to convince hubby is show him the brochure! LOL! Oh, and the French Blue helped a great deal too. I think he loves this thing even more than I do.

Good luck!
Ivette

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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 27, 06 at 19:07

Well, I am trying the full page color pix taped to the backsplash behind the Jenn Air approach too!

Will keep you posted.

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* Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 27, 06 at 23:03

Joe - Is your roasting pan the 16" pan?

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* Posted by pdjcmb (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 28, 06 at 7:21

joe: thank you for the roasting pan recommendation & link to the discount all clad site -- they do have great prices! Like wilsonb, I'm curious whether you have the 14" pan (which the site describes as able to hold a "big" turkey) or the 16" (which it describes as suitable for a "massive" turkey).

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* Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 28, 06 at 12:44

My roasting pan is 16" long x 13" wide. It clears the oven racks on each side by an inch. Cozy, yes but very manageble.

Also, just an FYI, I have the LTD nonstick. (not sure why I thought I needed non stick) It sells for $184.25. Twice a year these people have a sale. Last sale it cost $147.40! The regular all stainless roaster costs $184.25 and was on sale for $147.40. I think their next sale is in fall so if you can wait you can save some additional money. Just get on their mailing list and they will send you notice of the sale.

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* Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 28, 06 at 14:41

Hi all you Lacanchies:

My cooking sheets have both rusted quite quickly. Anyone else have this problem with their sheets?

Also, what do you all think about pairing the enclume baker's sideboard with a cluny? My wife and I like it but a friend came over and said the enclume is too heavy and medieval compared to the french country style of our range. For the record, we have no other pieces with hammered steel or wrought iron.

Thanks for the input.

Eric

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* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 28, 06 at 15:11

bake sale,

There are a couple of 1/8" diameter rust spots on the bottom of the baking steel that came with our Cormatin. I hadn't noticed them until just now when I went to check. The top is well seasoned from making pizzas. It's not pretty but there isn't any rust :-)

The Enclume Bakers Sideboard is a handsome piece, isn't it? One of the many nice things about a Lacanche range is that it fits comfortably into a wide variety of settings. Our little black Cormatin blends just as seamlessly into our funky little knotty pine kitchen as do some of the grander models into elaborate French provincial kitchens. If the sideboard works with the rest of your kitchen, I'll bet it will look good with your range too.

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* Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 28, 06 at 17:05

Velodoug, thanks for the response. We think it's a very nice peice too.

About the sheets, is the blueing finish supposed to come off? Do you think I should remove the rust and then cure the sheets like my frenchtop?

Thanks.

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* Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 28, 06 at 18:21

Joe - Thanks. I'm signing up for the mailing list and counting on the sale before Thanksgiving. We'll see how big a bird will fit inside the Cluny!

Eric - I had never heard of Enclume before, but it's gorgeous. My two cents is that it would look great with your Lacanche. It's open - doesn't look too heavy to me, and has a nice European / country feel that seems to fit the range just fine (but then again I don't know a thing about design!) It's a great piece!

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* Posted by pdjcmb (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 28, 06 at 21:31

Thank you, Joe. We're going to try to hold out for the fall sale too ... but the new cluny practically begs us to try everything out, so we'll see if we manage to wait.

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* Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 29, 06 at 0:04

Wilsonb. Thanks for the encouragement. We had ordered the sideboard, and I was having buying remorse. I'm glad you liked it too.

Eric

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* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 29, 06 at 9:38

"About the sheets, is the blueing finish supposed to come off? Do you think I should remove the rust and then cure the sheets like my frenchtop?"

The blueing (ours looks more like black than blue) is an important part of the baking steet. It helps the bottom of whatever you're baking get really brown. I gave the two rust spots I found yesterday a quick going over with peanut oil on a green scrubbie and lightly coated the rest of the sheet. When we start making pizza indoors again (probably in September) I'll give it another coat before we put it in the oven to preheat. The top surface is already nicely seasoned.

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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 1, 06 at 8:45

Can anyone tell me how much of a color variance there is from the samples compared to the actual ranges. AC says the ranges is lighter than the sample but is it a lot, a little ?? Thanks!

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* Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 1, 06 at 11:41

We have ivory, so I'm not sure that it's a good comparison to less neutral colors. Our range seems identical to the sample. (We matched our cabinets to the sample, so we took a bit of a risk, I guess.)

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* Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 1, 06 at 12:18

ditto for us on the color of the burgundy.

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* Posted by vedazu (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 1, 06 at 13:18

Re: Color

I think the colors are remarkably close to what you see on the screen or the samples. (I've got Portuguese Blue). But they aren't so bright when put into place because you don't see them head-on--the sides areusually covered by cabinets and the top is stainless--so you see the color from above. There is nothing garish or bright about these stoves--very elegant in position.

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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 1, 06 at 13:53

Sounds like I'm safe with the samples then. I was just curious since she told me the color would be a bit different than the actual. I have a lot of different colors in the area anyway and am working on the perfect fit. The samples I have are great and I've requested a couple more.

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 1, 06 at 17:09

Our French blue is pretty much identical to the sample. I think you can safely plan around them.

Ivette

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* Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 2, 06 at 16:58

plumorchard: our color seemed quite different from the color we saw. We ordered that new green color, the lighter one. From the sample it looked like an antique green but the stove came in almost an olive color and was much less green. While we like the color, it did throw off our plannning.

Eric

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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 2, 06 at 17:14

Eric,
That is one of the colors I am waiting on. As strange as it sounds we have another green on the cabinets so it would need to match or we will be repainting cabinets. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks!

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* Posted by pirula (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 2, 06 at 17:27

momto4kids:

Anything new on that backsplash? Enquiring (and nosy) minds want to know!

Ivette

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* Posted by maringirl (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 2, 06 at 17:37

plumorchard, we got the sologne green and we planned the whole kitchen around the sample. It worked out well, but now I am curious to hold the sample up to the range, which I haven't done yet (the sample is still at my KD's office). I think the color is soft and beautiful, and it reads fairly neutral. We noticed in our planning though that it did not go well with bluish greens at all. The range is now docked about 1/2 way into its spot awaiting one more row of tile that I didn't even think of until reading these posts! But I have to say that I am really, really happy with the color.

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* Posted by padams (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 3, 06 at 13:25

This forum is going to cost me a fortune now that I am looking at Lacanche. A few questions for the priviledged owners. I am looking at the Sully with a WC (maybe!).

How do you find the cooktop configurations? There are fewer burners as compared to Wolf/Bluestar but more spaced out. Are the burners adequate for a heavy cooking session? If I do this, I am thinking the standard classique configuration with another 18K burner and simmer plate as my 2 options.

What about oven size? They are quite a bit smaller than the Wolf/BS.

How did you find delivery/coordination? Did you order way in advance and store?

Any major preplanning issues?

Thanks in advance!

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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 3, 06 at 14:01

A little bummed! I called AC last Friday to request color samples and ask questions. I got the samples fairly quickly. However, I left messages for Ryan and whoever handles service. I haven't heard from either. Anyone know if they are out of the office?

padams - I know what you mean! I'm trying to figure a way to get rid of a range I just got because now I've discovered these. I'm working on it though.

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 3, 06 at 15:06

plumorchard...I know the factory in France closes for the month of August. In the past (can't speak to this year), some of the folks at AC took their vacations during August.

padams...I have the Sully +2 (meaning I have two of the WCs). I configured the top the way I wanted it (the size of which burner in which spot), so I don't remember what the predetermined set-ups are.

I have, and I believe I've used, every accessory. Let me know if you have more questions. I'd be happy to try to answer. So will any of the other folks who hang out here!

I can't recall anyone saying their ovens are too small. I know people have had to get different cookie sheets (for the Cluny)...but I haven't heard anyone with a Sully say that. I haven't had to get new baking sheets or anything. I think people get scared of the "smaller" ovens, but they are plenty large.

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Here is a link to my Lacanche album. I've taken various pictures over the past couple of years to help address others' questions. Hope it helps. If you want to see something else, just ask! Anyone of us will be happy to take a stab!

Ivette...I keep hearing the tilers will be here "any day." Sheesh! It took me two years to decide! My whole backsplash area has been dismantled and waiting, waiting, waiting. Ugh!!!

Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Album
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* Posted by padams (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 3, 06 at 18:19

momto4kids,

Thanks so much. Really impressive! This gives me a great feel for the cook space etc. Now if I can just swing the cost (its only money...right?) I started thinking Wolf 48 or 60 then got swayed to Bluestar probably 60 inch ($9,600+- and 2 very hefty 22K burners) and now this. BTW are all of the accessories you showed standard or extra?

How about that heart pine flooring (right?)? Looks great and that is what we are using in a large part of the main floor of our house. I have owned it for about 9 or 10 years now and finally have the perfect application for it. Its all 1X10 and was milled from the beams from an old textile mill in Georgia I believe.

Thanks again...I may have more questions.

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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 3, 06 at 19:24

Just noticed some new reserve items were posted since yesterday. FYI

Still waiting on samples and follow up.....not necessarily patiently though.

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* Posted by mwardlb (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 3, 06 at 20:02

Momto4kids: Are those thermometors in your ovens? What type are they? Thanks - Michle

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 3, 06 at 22:16

Good eye! They sure are! They were Taylor with a dial face. I was advised to switch to the Taylor mercury thermometers to get a more accurate reading. Just testing to see if I had hot/cold spots, etc., and whether I have and difference from dial setting to interior temp. I bake a lot of bread, so I tend to keep pretty good notes on "which" of my ovens is performing "how!"

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* Posted by plumorchard (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 4, 06 at 11:23

I finally made it thru the previous posts! The blog stops at 23 and the search here starts at 31. I've missed 24-30. Anyone have these stashed away to share?

I've learned a lot and have a list of questions. You would think after almost 3 years of previous post reviews that I wouldn't have anything left to ask!

Here is the first one - regarding the size of the grates. Is it a problem with small pots? Do you have to use the adapter? I checked the JA this am and there is around 2" or less open above the burner. We do a lot of smaller pot cooking. If you do have to use it - is it sturdy? Does it stay in place?

More to come....

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* Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 4, 06 at 12:01

I have a couple of pots that require the adapter. They work fine. To be honest, I don't know why they didn't just reconfigure the grates to work wth small pots. It's not like it would block that much of the flame IMHO.

You're gonna love it!

Joe

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* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 4, 06 at 12:08

Plumorchard -- The two saucepans we use most frequently on our Lacanche are 5-1/2" and 6" in diameter. Neither one requires the use of the adaptor, which is a stamped piece of stainless steel. It's not elegant looking but it stays in place very well and it does the job.

One thing to watch out for is that pans less than 8" in diameter are only supported by the four "fingers" of the grate. A light weight pan with a heavy cast handle, like some poorly designed nonstick cookware, can tip if there is little or no weight in it and the handle is oriented on a 45 degree diagonal. The solution is simply to orient the handle strainght out to the side. To avoid the problem altogether an easy test when buying cookware is to place two pencils at 90 degrees to each other with the erasers touching and set the pot on them with the center over where the pencils meet and the handle at 45 degrees between them. If it tips it's probably not a good choice.

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* Posted by velodoug (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 4, 06 at 12:11

Joe -- I think it's a European thing. Some older Gaggenau cooktops had a similar arrangement.

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* Posted by drec1500 (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 4, 06 at 14:35

Momto4kids: I saw the images you posted to the web of your vent-a-hood. I need one EXACTLY LIKE IT. The only thing is that it needs to get to Spain. The choices I have here for an exhaust are limited...The intaller wants to put a real professional hood in place. No lights and only an ON switch. Pando is a big brand here in Europe. They are really beautiful but not too efficient, made for small stovetops mostly. So I dont know what to do...should I call Vent-A-Hood and see what they can do for me???

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* Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 4, 06 at 14:59

Oh, absolutely! They were so EXTREMELY helpful to me. Performance is wonderful. But aside from that...I faxed them my specs and asked for guidance as to whether to order two 42-inch liners or one custom-made 84-inch liner at nearly double the cost. While they were perfectly willing to sell me the 84-inch liner and I was perfectly willing to pay for it, they convinced me it wasn't necessary. I give them a lot of credit for not going for the larger sale. By all means...call them! Good luck!

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