Sunday, August 06, 2006
Lacanche Ranges Part 31
Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Wed, Mar 8, 06 at 15:55
Hi everyone. I thought I'd start off a new Lacanche thread because part 30 is so long now and I need your HELP!
We are finishing up our house and Lacanche kitchen and I need some final design help. I just posted over on the decorating forum but thought since you love the Lacanche you might be able to help me make it fit into our new kitchen.
Here's the link to the post on the decorating thread. Beware it is a long post but it has photos to help you understand what I'm going for.
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/decor/msg0315492119550.html
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Follow-Up Postings:
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Wed, Mar 8, 06 at 15:56
And here is the link to Lacanche ranges part 30....
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche ranges part 30
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by fishlessman (My Page) on Thu, Mar 9, 06 at 13:26
thanks for the heads up on the forum change, i didnt want my post to get lost with the change so ill repost it here. when i bought my cluny i think we were on part 3 or 4. its grown a bit i see.
ive had my cluny for a few years now, i have the one with the wok style top and was wondering if they make a removable simmer plate to fit over the center. also for those that use the side simmer plate, do you put it over the 2 medium burners or on the other side with the large and small simmer burners. i really like the wok setup for most of the year and use it alot, but for the holidays it would be nice to have that large center simmer plate if one is available. for the person asking about pots and pans, i wouldnt do without a lecreusett pot and braiser, a lodge cast iron skillet and a cheap carbon steel wok. my kitchen aint much, but the stove makes up for it.
Here is a link that might be useful: cluny at camp
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Thu, Mar 9, 06 at 14:16
fishlessman -- Art Culinaire does not have a large simmer plate on their web page or in their current price list, but there is one on the UK Lacanche web page. A Google search will turn up several suppliers in the UK if AC can't help.
We put our two burner simmer plate on the side with the large and small burners. The small burner is almost always set to the lowest level. The large burner is set according to what we're doing wih it, but very seldom above half power.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Thu, Mar 9, 06 at 17:32
fishlessman and doug, do you leave your simmer plates on your ranges all the time? I was thinking of getting a one-burner simmer plate because I do want a burner available that will keep a low simmer, but I'm not sure that I want to dedicate two burners to the simmer plate. The Lacanche simmer plate seems too heavy to take on and off very frequently.
My husband, who rarely cooked before the kitchen was finished, now offers to cook whenever he's home for dinner. He loves the Cluny, but he does grumble about its inability to simmer. I keep promising to adjust the flame (Doug, your kind reminder about how easy it is still rings in my ears), but I haven't adjusted them yet.
The only other issue is the temperature of the gas oven, which does seem to be about 50 degrees off. Do you all just adjust your temps accordingly or have you adjusted your ovens somehow? (About this, I just tell my husband that the oven came all the way from France; what does he expect?)
Other than the simmering issue, we are loving our Cluny. Even the kids agree that our food tastes better. I'm sure it's the range's high heat, which lets us sear better than we ever could before (and which we might have been able to do on any other high BTU range), but we are using both ovens frequently, and boy does that Cluny look great in our kitchen!
Thanks to you all for your advice and input!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Thu, Mar 9, 06 at 18:15
wilsonb -- We have a four-burner Cormatin. In addition to the two-burner simmer plate we also frequently use the two-burner griddle plate and occasionally the two-burner grill plate. The latter two always go on the side with matched 11,000 BTU burners. With six burners worth of accessories and just four burners to work with something has to give. The griddle and grill come off when they need to be cleaned. The simmer plate comes off when we need one of the burners under it for another task.
With some guidance from the folks at AC I calibrated our gas oven using just an accurate thermometer and same screwdriver I use to adjust the top burners. It takes a little longer than adjusting the top burners because the oven temperature has to stabilize between tries, but the whole operation took less than an hour. The temperature is now as close to spot on as I can measure.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by fishlessman (My Page) on Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 10:46
wilsonb, i moved the simmer plate over to the 11000 btu side last night and and checked to see how low it would simmer a lecrueset dutch oven full of water. it kept it at 195 on the lowest setting.please note that im running the stove on propane and this causes a btu loss. ive had the simmer plate on the other side for a while, but wanted to get some use of the bigger burner over there. you can get the temps up pretty high on the simmer plate and cook on it. start the cook on the bigger burner and transfer to the simmer plate that has been heated up with the burner setting on high. i dont use the griddle plate as i find that a well seasoned cast iron pan is just as good an easier to keep clean. for high temp searing i use a big green egg bbq outdoors that can get up to much higher temps. i dont have a hood and dont like searing indoors with the smoke. i use a maverick dual probe temp gage for the oven and can get temps very accurate with it,
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 17:19
doug and fishlessman - Thanks for your responses. We use our griddle all of the time (breakfast is very big in our house), although it isn't yet as well-seasoned as I'd like it to be. Right now, the only oven thermometer that I have is an analog (do you use that term for thermometers?) thermometer that takes some time to record the temperature. I guess that I had better go out and buy a digital thermometer. Is that what you both have?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 19:49
Hello all,
This is a question for anyone with a Matte Black Lacanche range. Is this color hard to keep clean? Specifically, does it show grease splatter. Does it wipe clean or leave marks on the finish? We are deciding between Matte Black, White or Burgundy Red.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 20:06
wilsonb -- Analog is a good descriptive term for non-digital thermometers, and it's the kind I use. Here's a photo of the one I bought fron Fantes. Because the oven temperature cycles up and down in normal operation an analog thermometer that smooths the readings a bit is probably better than a digital instrument.
am235 -- We have a black Cormatin. The color is called matte in the US but the same finish is called satin in France and I think that's more descriptive. In Benjamin-Moore paint terms it's more like a semi-gloss. It is not hard to keep clean at all, and no marks are visible. In comparison, the textured glossy finish on our fridge is a real inconvenience.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 21:24
ditto Doug's comments about the analog thermometer. Our digital one STINKS on the gas range. It's just inaccurate. My cooking times on the gas side are on-spot with recipes, so adjusting per the digital just screws it all up. It's my electric which is 50 degrees off & that's predictable & I know I gotta call it in, but what the hey.
The digital thermometer I got is good, it just can't take the gas cycling. Go with an analog.
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 11, 06 at 23:07
Velodoug,
Thank you for the info on black finish. Decided to go with the White. It was the color that first caught our eye and will look great in the kitchen we have planned. Thanks to everyone on this thread (and the others before it), we will soon become owners of a Lacanche Cluny.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by doubleyellow (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 3:10
The guy who came to put the new stuff on my Sully (unsuccessfully--it turned out) told me that the ovens are always off by what seems like about 50 degrees --and he thinks it is because they don't do the conversion from Centigrade to Fairenheit right -- I said it's pretty easy- just 5/9 or 9/5 and plus or minus 32. He thinks that's exactly the problem - that they forget the 32!! (Which is pretty close to 50--and there is a little wiggle room on the knob)
So the new panels finally came to replace the damage to the original (that was sent to the wrong kitchen, wrong city, storage in a different city, then, all banged up, to me-if anyone remembers the sad story) -- AGAIN messed up!! Crunched. Have to start yet again ordering new panels from France and praying that forklift operators aren't having a rowdy day. Sigh.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 8:27
doubleyellow-How disappointing! I'm sure that AC will get it right, but you must be so anxious to have your range looking perfect. That's interesting about the oven temps - makes perfect sense. Did the tech tell you how to adjust the temps or adjust yours while he was there?
am234 - Congratulations! You're going to love it! We have a Cluny and use its two ovens more than we ever imagined, often using the gas oven as a warming oven. Have fun!
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 13:11
Yay! After many delays and gas line installation worries, I have FINALLY ordered a lovely little 4 burner Ivory and chrome Cormatin....ETA end of May! Yippee!
Kelly
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 13:25
Congrats to the new Lacanche owners (am235 and klb2000)! am235 -- did you order white or Ivory?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 15:53
My research seems to indicate that MOST ovens are off by at least 25 degrees farenheit, so Lacanche is no different. All ovens can be recalibrated. My understanding is that the Lacanche can be recalibrated by the homeowner. I can't help you with exact instructions yet, but I know that previous Lacanche threads had details on how to do this. AC can also help.
I'm fully expecting my ovens to be "off" when I FINALLY install it (will that day EVER come????????). Not to worry, it can be adjusted.
All the best,
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 19:10
azdreamhome,
We decided to get white. It will go with the kitchen we have planned best (modeled after the "Something's Gotta Give" movie kitchen-with some differences). We have ordered white cabinets and plan on black counters, except the island and nook table will be Iroko wood tops. We are putting mahogony planking on the ceiling. The floors are already honed travertine. The backsplash will most likely be tumbled stone in a brick pattern. We are still in the early stages and have not ripped out the old kitchen yet, although DH is itching to do so.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 20:04
am235 -- the "Something's Gotta Give" kitchen was to-die-for and all your choices sound wonderful. Besides the white cabs, white Lacanche, I love the idea of the mahogany-planked ceiling. Beautiful. We are waiting for an Iroko butcherblock countertop right now to finish off our kitchen (and the Lacanche, of course which won't arrive until April).
I would love to see photos of your kitchen when you are done!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 23:27
azdreamhome-- As I am new to the forums it will take me some time to figure out how to post photos and add links to go to. As I said, we are just getting going on this remodel and expect it will be quite some time before I have anything to show anyone.
I have been following your kitchen, and it looks great!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 1:29
azdreamhome--I know I said we decided to get white, but when it came right down to placing the order I got the matte black. Estimated time of arrival-June 10, 2006. I ordered it off of the reserve list. There are just too many shades of white and with the cabinets being white I decided in the end to go for the classic. Everything goes with black. And we are getting black counters. I made the final decision on the range so I'll let DH pick out the stone for the counters.
Now on to ordering the knobs and pulls for the cabinets. I found exactly what I wanted at Van Dyke's Restorers. The sample knob came today and it's just right.
Any ideas on venting? This is what we had been planning to order--Modern Aire PML 40X22 with liner to build in and vent to the outside (range is on an outside wall) with the most powerful motor we can. DH is tall and does not want to hit his head on the hood enclosure so it will be placed as high as possible to still be efficient.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 14:09
Hi all-- I found that thread 28 talks quite a bit about venting. I'll go read that.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 16:13
Ah ha! Another matte black convert! :-) I was in LOVE with the burgundy red and when it came time to order I also went with the black. And now that I'm about a month away from having it delivered, I'm really excited about the black. You are right, black works with any kitchen. It's kind of like a neutral in that sense. June will be here before you know it!
Regarding the vent issue, it soulds like you found the right thread. I went on and on about venting there for awhile. But a lot of people have discussed it here on this thread over the years so you should be able to find lots of info in the archives. Good luck!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 16:36
Am-Congratulations! You'll love the black! I have a black one, too!
As for venting...once you figure out which vent system to get (I have VAH), you just need to be sure you have it placed correctly over the footprint of your range. With the back riser or the island spacer, your range will sit forward into the kitchen more than a "standard" range. Therefore, you may want to consider mounting your hood to sit forward as well. Not complicated at all...just not something people initially contemplate. Come back if you have questions. We have plenty of answers!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 18:12
Pulling the hood forward also pulls the duct forward. That may or may not interfere with routing it through the cabinetry. Another approach is to buy a deeper hood. Our 27" deep Vent-A-Hood covers the front of the front burners on our (black) Cormatin.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 6:53
am235- DH is 6'5" and we were worried about the hood height too, but I think that he's found cooking to be comfortable. We have a 24" deep VAH Excalibur (which obviously doesn't cover the front 3" of the range) mounted 31" off the top of the range (my contractors were adamant about sticking to the VAH specs). When I asked him to bump the hood out to 27", the contractor acted like I was crazy, saying that DH would bump his head on it all the time. He promised that he'd come back and build out the hood if it didn't capture all of the smoke, etc. As it turns out, allowing the hood to be a big shallower than the range but mounting it within the specified height was a good decision for us. We've fried bacon and seared meat, and not had any problems with smoke or fumes escaping.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by mara1331 (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 12:13
Hi all,
We just had our Black Cluny installed last Friday and I think I'm enjoying it.... It's been waiting in the garage for so long I think it's still a dream..
I have many questions, let's start with why is the manual so inadequate? Does anyone else think it's lacking? Secondly, I just can't seem to figure out how to use the burners, plates etc... We have the classique model. I think I'm having trouble with the ovens, I guess they are off too. I will get an oven thermometer. The ovens are small? I think the standard 1/2 pan is slightly too small. I can close the oven door but I think it's sitting on top on the rack end, tilting the pan instead of flatly on the rack. Thanks for any advice that you can give me..
Maggie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 18:33
Maggie: Congrats!
In what way do you feel the manual is inadequate? Just turn the burners to the heat you need. It may take a bit of practise - it did for me beacuse the level of heat it puts out is greater than what I'm used to. Try cooking things you are familiar with and you will adjust in no time. Can you ask specific questions that we might help you better.
My electric oven is bang on. The gas oven is off somewhere in the vicinity of 25-50 degrees. I plan to adjust it as soon as I find someone to tell me how, although it looks like it is similar to the burner adjustments (Have you viewed the videos from the AC site?) Get a good oven thermometer. The ones from Vons are usesless. Go digital or a high end one like what someone on this thread posted a link to.
I find the oven an okay size, but agree that having a half pan have to situp on the back rack is annoying. I don't bake that much, so I just put a piece of drywall corner bead at the front to even it out. I think I may call AC and see if there is a more elegant way of doing this.
Tomorrow is St Patrick's day and my anniversary. We will be having people over for the traditional corned beef and cabbage, potatoes, irish whiskey and a black and white chocolate Guiness mousse.
--
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 8:17
Hi Maggie. Congrats on your Cluny! Our experience is like Joe's - the electric oven is accurate, but the gas oven is off by about the same amount and, like him, I'll adjust it when I get the time. Until then, I'm just adjusting the temperature up. As far as their size, the ovens are small, but I'm finding it a small trade-off for having two ovens (right under the range-top), which I use frequently.
I often use the gas oven as a warming oven while I'm cooking something else in the electric oven. So far, I've found that the ovens accommodate all of my baking and roasting pans (sometimes with not much room to spare!) I haven't baked cookies or a mass of biscuits yet (which is what I'd use the sheet pans for), but my plan is to use a smaller sheet pan and three racks in whichever oven I use. Enjoy your new range!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by fishlessman (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 10:46
i have seen so many posts about the oven temps being off with the gas. when turning the gas knob one way then the other you can feel a little play in the knob. with my ovens, i turn the knob past the desired settings and then slowly back down to where i want it set.this compensates for the play in the knob and linkage. they are within 10 degrees of were they should be and thats close enough. put a cast iron pan in there and give it a try, i dont think an empty oven is a good way to check temps, you need some heat mass in there. just remember that the oven temps go up and down when the burners go on and off. with regards to the oven racks, mine are a few years old and maybe there have been changes, but mine push back to a stop, and by pushing a little harder, they will go in a little farther. when using a half sheet, it does sit flat
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 13:17
maggie: I sent an email to Steve at AC asking about adjusting the gas oven and also the issue with the cookie sheet. The cookie sheet thing turns out to be the easiest - just push the oven rack farther back! There is a slight catch that keeps the rack where you and I have been using it, but just another push and that puppy goes all the way to the back allowing a nice, flat cookie sheet.
Here is the portion of the email concerning adjusting the oven, which sounds more complicated than it really is. BTW, if my oven was off by only 25 degrees I probably wouldn't even bother. Most ovens will heat to 20 degrees above the set temperature and then not come back on until 20 degrees below the set temperature, so there is a big built in range. The main idea though, is that the average temperature be what the oven is set to. Anyway, the instructions:
1) Place the oven thermometer on the oven rack in the center of the oven. (You won't need to do this if you have the new hand-held digital thermometer.)
2) Turn the oven control knob to the 350 degree setting.
3) Listen for the oven burner to stop heating. (If you put your ear near the bottom of the oven door you can hear the gas burning/flowing.) It will stop when the thermostat senses the oven has reached 350 degrees (about 10-12 minutes).
4) Open the door enough to see what temperature your thermometer shows.
5) To make an adjustment, turn the knob back to the "Off" position. (This is done so the shaft doesn't rotate as you are adjusting it.)
6) Carefully pull off the oven control knob. Place your screwdriver down the center shaft of the control knob and go all the way to the back. Find the slot by turning your screwdriver until it drops in the slotted screw.
7) Rotate the screw counter-clockwise approximately 10 degrees (on a 360 degree dial) for every 25 degrees of temperature change. This is pretty much a hit or miss adjustment since you're going by feel. I tell people it feels like you're moving it about 1/16 of an inch.
8) Put your knob back on and turn the oven back on to the 350 degree setting.
9) Listen for the gas to shut off and open the door to see where it turned off. Hopefully it was at 340-350 degrees. If a little less, repeat the steps above.
10) If it's over 350 degrees, you went too far and you'll need to find the screw and adjust it back clockwise until you hit close to 350 degrees.
If you'd like to take a look at a Technical Bulletin explaining this you can go to www.frenchranges.com/support where you will click on "After Sales Service" and enter the user name and password they sent you to access the Technical Suport Page. Look under "Third Party Manuals" and click on Harper Generation Six Oven System - Field Service Bulletin.
Hope that helps,
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 14:15
Thanks everyone for the venting advice. We are going to order a Modern Aire hood liner. PML 40X22 with a 600 or 1000 CFM motor and center it over the burners. It was the only manufacturer I checked out that actually recommended placing the liner 30-36 inches off the range top. We plan to put it at 36 inches so will probably get the bigger motor just to be safe. Since the only cabinetry over the range is what encloses the vent we will have plenty of room for the liner to be positioned how we need it. We allowed for several inches on each side of the range and can place the hood at any depth we need. We will be building the hood surround around the liner.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 11:41
Good morning folks,
now that i have been using my beautiful burgundy Cluny 1400 for about a month,i'm having a hard time getting good results from any cleaner or stainless steel polish to get a streak free stainless steel top. the stainless cover over the french top is rather rough in texture vs. the inside surround of the burners which is a smoother texture.even the vents in the back and spacer looks sort of streaky to me. nothing so far works well. i've even used microfiber cloths with just plain water and a dry towel, nope, didn't work. give me some of your results and what you use to get a streak free top. thank you in advance, marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 12:49
I'll be interested to hear how others clean theirs also (we will have ours delivered next month, ordered June '05, started drooling over Lacanche a few months before that). I don't like a dirty looking range. And I'm guessing I will "baby" the Lacanche for a while. I've been waiting so long for it (Cluny 1400 also). Are you enjoying cooking on/with it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 12:50
nicksgram51,
I don't have the FT, but we use 409 on our stainless cover with a regular old cotton terry cloth & it comes up streak free. We do use a lot of 409 on it if we've made a greasy mess.
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 20:16
Azdreamhome,
i love it! getting used to the different btu burners, but, i also need to adjust the simmer burner as well as the gas oven, 25 degrees lower than supposed to be. browning and searing is very quick. i love the warming cupboard, until yesterday i used it just for warming bread and rolls for dinner, but, i decided to try and slow cook all day with my Le Crueset, and a pot roast. it worked wonderful, (so did the LC)...
i like the electric oven for baking, i always had a gas oven, which to be honest, haven't noticed a big difference between the two as far as results. but, they are both fine for me. i made a couple of cakes and they came out beautiful. the next thing i want to try is homemade bread. i think i remember somewhere it was said, the electric is better for baking bread. correct me if i'm not right on that one. i just seasoned my french top for the first time yesterday as well,(smeared mineral oil all over it, and let it cook for a couple of hours.
i'm very happy with this range, i love the color, the ease of everything,(except the streaky stainless steel)but, i'm sure i'll get good advice here. i'll even try 409. marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by debbie814 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 21:13
Can someone please give me the depth of the Cluny. I can't seem to find the depth on the AC website, and it's too late to call them this evening. Thanks, Debbie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 23:03
Debbie, check the Cluny specs posted on the "support" page (kind of hidden if you don't know where to look for it!)
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Support page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by debbie814 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 7:21
Thanks!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by mara1331 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 13:53
Thanks Joe, for all your help!
I bought a good oven thermometer and found that the electric oven is 25 degrees slow, and the gas oven is 75 degrees fast! That's quite a spread... I'll print out your directions and see if my partner can do the trick!
What's the deal with the drip pans and racks? Must we use those? Do they stay in the oven?
I didn't buy any of the optional grills etc. with the range, will any work with the range?
Thanks again,
Maggie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 13:58
Marilyn, I've been using just a sponge and some dish soap to get the big grease and then just a damp microfiber cloth to shine it up. I'm not sure why that's not working for you. When I first got it (and still occasionally) I'll use Stainless Steel Magic, which also seems to work fine. I've also had good luck using Barkeeper's Friend (gently) on the burner caps, which gets the brass looking like new (although I'm not sure how long I'll be this fastidious!). But for now, everything still looks like new!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by krobson (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 20:45
Hi,
I'm new to this, so forgive a possibly silly question. Is the Lacanche oven easy to clean? Does anyone miss having a self-cleaning oven? I am considering a Cluny for my new house, but am worried about the non-self cleaning aspect.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:06
wilsonb,
i could be a little over the top,since it's so new. i went 2 steps more than i probably will not continue to do. i got a hold of the brass gas burners, cleaned them with barkeepers' friend, that wasn't enough, i kept looking for more work, i then cleaned them with metal polish,(the kind you use for cleaning the metal on cars), then had to polish them with brasso. they shined like a new penny! this craziness won't last too long. marilyn:)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:27
OMG!!
It's
in
the
KITCHEN!!!!!
It really is! And it's still blue and beautiful! Totally not hooked up, but who cares?? it's even in it's "place" !!
Oh happy day!
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Congrats, Ivette clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:55
congratulations, Ivette,
it's so exciting to finally see it in your kitchen, like someone gives us a long awaited Christmas gift. wait until you actually see a burner light up!!! many happy cooking years!!! marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 22:47
Ivette, there you are!
Yes, that reassuring little red light is about to warm your heart every time you pass it. Ain't love grand!
This must mean you finished painting those Crowne Point cabinets! Can't wait to see your classic kitchen.
krobson - I think the oven is pretty easy to clean, but then I never bothered to use the self-cleaning feature on old ovens.
cleaning the brass burners - DH wants them to develop a patina of use, so we stopped going crazy with polishing last year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 6:33
Ivette - Congratulations! Do you have pictures posted somewhere? When will you be cooking??
Krobson - The self-clean feature on my old oven never cleaned it fully. I simply wipe down the inside of my Cluny ovens once in a while and they seem to keep clean. There used to be a lot of discussion on the forum generally about the pros and cons of self-cleaning ovens. Many people deliberately avoid self-cleaning ovens while others wouldn't live without them. I think those people with Lacanches have found that keeping their ovens clean isn't a problem. Good luck with your decision!
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 13:11
Yay! After many delays and gas line installation worries, I have FINALLY ordered a lovely little 4 burner Ivory and chrome Cormatin....ETA end of May! Yippee!
Kelly
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 13:25
Congrats to the new Lacanche owners (am235 and klb2000)! am235 -- did you order white or Ivory?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 15:53
My research seems to indicate that MOST ovens are off by at least 25 degrees farenheit, so Lacanche is no different. All ovens can be recalibrated. My understanding is that the Lacanche can be recalibrated by the homeowner. I can't help you with exact instructions yet, but I know that previous Lacanche threads had details on how to do this. AC can also help.
I'm fully expecting my ovens to be "off" when I FINALLY install it (will that day EVER come????????). Not to worry, it can be adjusted.
All the best,
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 19:10
azdreamhome,
We decided to get white. It will go with the kitchen we have planned best (modeled after the "Something's Gotta Give" movie kitchen-with some differences). We have ordered white cabinets and plan on black counters, except the island and nook table will be Iroko wood tops. We are putting mahogony planking on the ceiling. The floors are already honed travertine. The backsplash will most likely be tumbled stone in a brick pattern. We are still in the early stages and have not ripped out the old kitchen yet, although DH is itching to do so.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 20:04
am235 -- the "Something's Gotta Give" kitchen was to-die-for and all your choices sound wonderful. Besides the white cabs, white Lacanche, I love the idea of the mahogany-planked ceiling. Beautiful. We are waiting for an Iroko butcherblock countertop right now to finish off our kitchen (and the Lacanche, of course which won't arrive until April).
I would love to see photos of your kitchen when you are done!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 23:27
azdreamhome-- As I am new to the forums it will take me some time to figure out how to post photos and add links to go to. As I said, we are just getting going on this remodel and expect it will be quite some time before I have anything to show anyone.
I have been following your kitchen, and it looks great!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 1:29
azdreamhome--I know I said we decided to get white, but when it came right down to placing the order I got the matte black. Estimated time of arrival-June 10, 2006. I ordered it off of the reserve list. There are just too many shades of white and with the cabinets being white I decided in the end to go for the classic. Everything goes with black. And we are getting black counters. I made the final decision on the range so I'll let DH pick out the stone for the counters.
Now on to ordering the knobs and pulls for the cabinets. I found exactly what I wanted at Van Dyke's Restorers. The sample knob came today and it's just right.
Any ideas on venting? This is what we had been planning to order--Modern Aire PML 40X22 with liner to build in and vent to the outside (range is on an outside wall) with the most powerful motor we can. DH is tall and does not want to hit his head on the hood enclosure so it will be placed as high as possible to still be efficient.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 14:09
Hi all-- I found that thread 28 talks quite a bit about venting. I'll go read that.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 16:13
Ah ha! Another matte black convert! :-) I was in LOVE with the burgundy red and when it came time to order I also went with the black. And now that I'm about a month away from having it delivered, I'm really excited about the black. You are right, black works with any kitchen. It's kind of like a neutral in that sense. June will be here before you know it!
Regarding the vent issue, it soulds like you found the right thread. I went on and on about venting there for awhile. But a lot of people have discussed it here on this thread over the years so you should be able to find lots of info in the archives. Good luck!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 16:36
Am-Congratulations! You'll love the black! I have a black one, too!
As for venting...once you figure out which vent system to get (I have VAH), you just need to be sure you have it placed correctly over the footprint of your range. With the back riser or the island spacer, your range will sit forward into the kitchen more than a "standard" range. Therefore, you may want to consider mounting your hood to sit forward as well. Not complicated at all...just not something people initially contemplate. Come back if you have questions. We have plenty of answers!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 18:12
Pulling the hood forward also pulls the duct forward. That may or may not interfere with routing it through the cabinetry. Another approach is to buy a deeper hood. Our 27" deep Vent-A-Hood covers the front of the front burners on our (black) Cormatin.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 6:53
am235- DH is 6'5" and we were worried about the hood height too, but I think that he's found cooking to be comfortable. We have a 24" deep VAH Excalibur (which obviously doesn't cover the front 3" of the range) mounted 31" off the top of the range (my contractors were adamant about sticking to the VAH specs). When I asked him to bump the hood out to 27", the contractor acted like I was crazy, saying that DH would bump his head on it all the time. He promised that he'd come back and build out the hood if it didn't capture all of the smoke, etc. As it turns out, allowing the hood to be a big shallower than the range but mounting it within the specified height was a good decision for us. We've fried bacon and seared meat, and not had any problems with smoke or fumes escaping.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by mara1331 (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 12:13
Hi all,
We just had our Black Cluny installed last Friday and I think I'm enjoying it.... It's been waiting in the garage for so long I think it's still a dream..
I have many questions, let's start with why is the manual so inadequate? Does anyone else think it's lacking? Secondly, I just can't seem to figure out how to use the burners, plates etc... We have the classique model. I think I'm having trouble with the ovens, I guess they are off too. I will get an oven thermometer. The ovens are small? I think the standard 1/2 pan is slightly too small. I can close the oven door but I think it's sitting on top on the rack end, tilting the pan instead of flatly on the rack. Thanks for any advice that you can give me..
Maggie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 18:33
Maggie: Congrats!
In what way do you feel the manual is inadequate? Just turn the burners to the heat you need. It may take a bit of practise - it did for me beacuse the level of heat it puts out is greater than what I'm used to. Try cooking things you are familiar with and you will adjust in no time. Can you ask specific questions that we might help you better.
My electric oven is bang on. The gas oven is off somewhere in the vicinity of 25-50 degrees. I plan to adjust it as soon as I find someone to tell me how, although it looks like it is similar to the burner adjustments (Have you viewed the videos from the AC site?) Get a good oven thermometer. The ones from Vons are usesless. Go digital or a high end one like what someone on this thread posted a link to.
I find the oven an okay size, but agree that having a half pan have to situp on the back rack is annoying. I don't bake that much, so I just put a piece of drywall corner bead at the front to even it out. I think I may call AC and see if there is a more elegant way of doing this.
Tomorrow is St Patrick's day and my anniversary. We will be having people over for the traditional corned beef and cabbage, potatoes, irish whiskey and a black and white chocolate Guiness mousse.
--
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 8:17
Hi Maggie. Congrats on your Cluny! Our experience is like Joe's - the electric oven is accurate, but the gas oven is off by about the same amount and, like him, I'll adjust it when I get the time. Until then, I'm just adjusting the temperature up. As far as their size, the ovens are small, but I'm finding it a small trade-off for having two ovens (right under the range-top), which I use frequently.
I often use the gas oven as a warming oven while I'm cooking something else in the electric oven. So far, I've found that the ovens accommodate all of my baking and roasting pans (sometimes with not much room to spare!) I haven't baked cookies or a mass of biscuits yet (which is what I'd use the sheet pans for), but my plan is to use a smaller sheet pan and three racks in whichever oven I use. Enjoy your new range!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by fishlessman (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 10:46
i have seen so many posts about the oven temps being off with the gas. when turning the gas knob one way then the other you can feel a little play in the knob. with my ovens, i turn the knob past the desired settings and then slowly back down to where i want it set.this compensates for the play in the knob and linkage. they are within 10 degrees of were they should be and thats close enough. put a cast iron pan in there and give it a try, i dont think an empty oven is a good way to check temps, you need some heat mass in there. just remember that the oven temps go up and down when the burners go on and off. with regards to the oven racks, mine are a few years old and maybe there have been changes, but mine push back to a stop, and by pushing a little harder, they will go in a little farther. when using a half sheet, it does sit flat
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 13:17
maggie: I sent an email to Steve at AC asking about adjusting the gas oven and also the issue with the cookie sheet. The cookie sheet thing turns out to be the easiest - just push the oven rack farther back! There is a slight catch that keeps the rack where you and I have been using it, but just another push and that puppy goes all the way to the back allowing a nice, flat cookie sheet.
Here is the portion of the email concerning adjusting the oven, which sounds more complicated than it really is. BTW, if my oven was off by only 25 degrees I probably wouldn't even bother. Most ovens will heat to 20 degrees above the set temperature and then not come back on until 20 degrees below the set temperature, so there is a big built in range. The main idea though, is that the average temperature be what the oven is set to. Anyway, the instructions:
1) Place the oven thermometer on the oven rack in the center of the oven. (You won't need to do this if you have the new hand-held digital thermometer.)
2) Turn the oven control knob to the 350 degree setting.
3) Listen for the oven burner to stop heating. (If you put your ear near the bottom of the oven door you can hear the gas burning/flowing.) It will stop when the thermostat senses the oven has reached 350 degrees (about 10-12 minutes).
4) Open the door enough to see what temperature your thermometer shows.
5) To make an adjustment, turn the knob back to the "Off" position. (This is done so the shaft doesn't rotate as you are adjusting it.)
6) Carefully pull off the oven control knob. Place your screwdriver down the center shaft of the control knob and go all the way to the back. Find the slot by turning your screwdriver until it drops in the slotted screw.
7) Rotate the screw counter-clockwise approximately 10 degrees (on a 360 degree dial) for every 25 degrees of temperature change. This is pretty much a hit or miss adjustment since you're going by feel. I tell people it feels like you're moving it about 1/16 of an inch.
8) Put your knob back on and turn the oven back on to the 350 degree setting.
9) Listen for the gas to shut off and open the door to see where it turned off. Hopefully it was at 340-350 degrees. If a little less, repeat the steps above.
10) If it's over 350 degrees, you went too far and you'll need to find the screw and adjust it back clockwise until you hit close to 350 degrees.
If you'd like to take a look at a Technical Bulletin explaining this you can go to www.frenchranges.com/support where you will click on "After Sales Service" and enter the user name and password they sent you to access the Technical Suport Page. Look under "Third Party Manuals" and click on Harper Generation Six Oven System - Field Service Bulletin.
Hope that helps,
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 14:15
Thanks everyone for the venting advice. We are going to order a Modern Aire hood liner. PML 40X22 with a 600 or 1000 CFM motor and center it over the burners. It was the only manufacturer I checked out that actually recommended placing the liner 30-36 inches off the range top. We plan to put it at 36 inches so will probably get the bigger motor just to be safe. Since the only cabinetry over the range is what encloses the vent we will have plenty of room for the liner to be positioned how we need it. We allowed for several inches on each side of the range and can place the hood at any depth we need. We will be building the hood surround around the liner.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 11:41
Good morning folks,
now that i have been using my beautiful burgundy Cluny 1400 for about a month,i'm having a hard time getting good results from any cleaner or stainless steel polish to get a streak free stainless steel top. the stainless cover over the french top is rather rough in texture vs. the inside surround of the burners which is a smoother texture.even the vents in the back and spacer looks sort of streaky to me. nothing so far works well. i've even used microfiber cloths with just plain water and a dry towel, nope, didn't work. give me some of your results and what you use to get a streak free top. thank you in advance, marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 12:49
I'll be interested to hear how others clean theirs also (we will have ours delivered next month, ordered June '05, started drooling over Lacanche a few months before that). I don't like a dirty looking range. And I'm guessing I will "baby" the Lacanche for a while. I've been waiting so long for it (Cluny 1400 also). Are you enjoying cooking on/with it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 12:50
nicksgram51,
I don't have the FT, but we use 409 on our stainless cover with a regular old cotton terry cloth & it comes up streak free. We do use a lot of 409 on it if we've made a greasy mess.
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 20:16
Azdreamhome,
i love it! getting used to the different btu burners, but, i also need to adjust the simmer burner as well as the gas oven, 25 degrees lower than supposed to be. browning and searing is very quick. i love the warming cupboard, until yesterday i used it just for warming bread and rolls for dinner, but, i decided to try and slow cook all day with my Le Crueset, and a pot roast. it worked wonderful, (so did the LC)...
i like the electric oven for baking, i always had a gas oven, which to be honest, haven't noticed a big difference between the two as far as results. but, they are both fine for me. i made a couple of cakes and they came out beautiful. the next thing i want to try is homemade bread. i think i remember somewhere it was said, the electric is better for baking bread. correct me if i'm not right on that one. i just seasoned my french top for the first time yesterday as well,(smeared mineral oil all over it, and let it cook for a couple of hours.
i'm very happy with this range, i love the color, the ease of everything,(except the streaky stainless steel)but, i'm sure i'll get good advice here. i'll even try 409. marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by debbie814 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 21:13
Can someone please give me the depth of the Cluny. I can't seem to find the depth on the AC website, and it's too late to call them this evening. Thanks, Debbie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 23:03
Debbie, check the Cluny specs posted on the "support" page (kind of hidden if you don't know where to look for it!)
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Support page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by debbie814 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 7:21
Thanks!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by mara1331 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 13:53
Thanks Joe, for all your help!
I bought a good oven thermometer and found that the electric oven is 25 degrees slow, and the gas oven is 75 degrees fast! That's quite a spread... I'll print out your directions and see if my partner can do the trick!
What's the deal with the drip pans and racks? Must we use those? Do they stay in the oven?
I didn't buy any of the optional grills etc. with the range, will any work with the range?
Thanks again,
Maggie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 13:58
Marilyn, I've been using just a sponge and some dish soap to get the big grease and then just a damp microfiber cloth to shine it up. I'm not sure why that's not working for you. When I first got it (and still occasionally) I'll use Stainless Steel Magic, which also seems to work fine. I've also had good luck using Barkeeper's Friend (gently) on the burner caps, which gets the brass looking like new (although I'm not sure how long I'll be this fastidious!). But for now, everything still looks like new!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by krobson (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 20:45
Hi,
I'm new to this, so forgive a possibly silly question. Is the Lacanche oven easy to clean? Does anyone miss having a self-cleaning oven? I am considering a Cluny for my new house, but am worried about the non-self cleaning aspect.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:06
wilsonb,
i could be a little over the top,since it's so new. i went 2 steps more than i probably will not continue to do. i got a hold of the brass gas burners, cleaned them with barkeepers' friend, that wasn't enough, i kept looking for more work, i then cleaned them with metal polish,(the kind you use for cleaning the metal on cars), then had to polish them with brasso. they shined like a new penny! this craziness won't last too long. marilyn:)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:27
OMG!!
It's
in
the
KITCHEN!!!!!
It really is! And it's still blue and beautiful! Totally not hooked up, but who cares?? it's even in it's "place" !!
Oh happy day!
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Congrats, Ivette clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:55
congratulations, Ivette,
it's so exciting to finally see it in your kitchen, like someone gives us a long awaited Christmas gift. wait until you actually see a burner light up!!! many happy cooking years!!! marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 22:47
Ivette, there you are!
Yes, that reassuring little red light is about to warm your heart every time you pass it. Ain't love grand!
This must mean you finished painting those Crowne Point cabinets! Can't wait to see your classic kitchen.
krobson - I think the oven is pretty easy to clean, but then I never bothered to use the self-cleaning feature on old ovens.
cleaning the brass burners - DH wants them to develop a patina of use, so we stopped going crazy with polishing last year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 6:33
Ivette - Congratulations! Do you have pictures posted somewhere? When will you be cooking??
Krobson - The self-clean feature on my old oven never cleaned it fully. I simply wipe down the inside of my Cluny ovens once in a while and they seem to keep clean. There used to be a lot of discussion on the forum generally about the pros and cons of self-cleaning ovens. Many people deliberately avoid self-cleaning ovens while others wouldn't live without them. I think those people with Lacanches have found that keeping their ovens clean isn't a problem. Good luck with your decision!
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 9:26
Ivette - Whoo-hoo! I hope champagne was involved. When are you getting hooked up. Don't forget that the electrical sometimes takes longer than the gas.
krobsen - I was never that impressed with the self-clean. I wasn't about to go through the ordeal of heat up / cool down for the greasy splatters of everyday use. I just wiped it down. I used it only once - when the range was headed out the door.
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by edleweiss (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 10:03
Hello,
I'm so glad I found this forum! My new house comes with a Lacanche, and it seemed so hard to find out anything about them until I found your group. It's really great to hear that you all like them so much. I've figures out that my range is a Cluny. We're doing some remodelling, and my husband wants some advice from those of you who have moved your CLunys around (ie, from garage to house, etc.) How much does this thing weigh, how many people are necessary, and/or what is the best technique for transporting it? Thanks a lot!
thank you.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 11:51
edleweiss: By the time you remove the drawers, doors and top stuff it gets down to about 250 pounds.(note that is also probably attached to the wall, to avoid tipping over, behind the bottom lefthand drawer) Two strong men could move it, but it is awkward because you can't lift by any of the handles. An appliance dolly would work also.
Good luck
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by bertie_d (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 13:55
Hi All...It has been awhile since I posted here. We are having our kitchen remodeled while we are in Indian Wells, CA for the winter. Pros are..I don't have to do any campstove cooking or dealing with the mess. cons are..it is driving me crazy not being able to peek at the blue Clooney!! We won't return to Oregon until May 15th or so..we will hopefully walk into a completed kitchen with everything new!!!( any bets on the completion date?)at least that is the plan and so far so good. I still love reading all of your good advice and sharing the excitement with you who now have your La Canches in operation. Congratulations. Bertie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 15:42
Ivette -- congrats on getting your Lacanche into your kitchen and in its rightful place. Can't wait to see photos and hear how it goes when you finally fire it up!
On another note, I spoke to someone this morning at AC. We were talking about shipping our range and I was apologizing that we've had ours purchased and stored up there in Woodinville for so long (since June 05). He said there have been others that have had theirs in storage longer. He mentioned an actor on TV (a well known evening drama....legal program) that has the exact same range as I do (Cluny 1400 matte black, classique, warming cupboard on the left, with brass). Is it in bad taste to mention his name here? I kind of feel it would infringe on his privacy. Nevertheless, I got a kick out of finding this out. It must say something shallow about me! ;-) That range will have a new home in Beverly Hills, of course.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 20:38
edelweiss,
Adding to Joe's point about not lifting the range by the handles b/c it voids the warranty. You should be able to contact Art Culinaire, if the appliance was purchased in the U.S., and have them send you more information about the range. Do you have their website?
Welcome back Bertie. So, it's about ten more weeks. Kewl.
azdreamhome,
I wouldn't advertise the name. It's cool, but then these threads are always popping up on google searches. I don't know if it's "shallow" or not, I just think it would be exciting to find out you have similar tastes with someone who's "well-known."
Take care,
-a
Here is a link that might be useful: Art Culinaire's website
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by edleweiss (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 12:17
Thanks for the information! What "top stuff" do you remove, exactly? I did find the AC website, and found it surprisingly poor. I have also called and emailed, but no response at all. Weird. It all seems very closed and user-unfriendly, especailly when you can download any information on any other appliance in just a matter of moments! This is why I'm glad you all love these ranges, because the way they seem to be marketed and sold made me rather nervous.
A manual, and the information I have read about on this thread for adjusting the burners would be nice. Can one get these online? Would someone who has downloaded these thing be willing to post them?
Thanks again! I'll be much happier when my questions actually involve food!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 12:52
Thanks everyone!!
Noooo, I haven't even started painting the cabinets yet. The range is just "in place, but not installed" yet. That is a little ways off. But I was just SO excited to get it out of the garage and in the place where it will eventually be plugged in and the little red light will come on.
I have lots of pics. Will try to upload soon.
Best,
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 15:53
edleweiss: top stuff - grates and french top, if you have one. Try calling AC and ask for Steve Wick. He is usually very helpful. Ask him if he can give you the logon and password for after sales service. If that doesn't work, email me directly and I'll email you the manual and other useful stuff.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 22:29
azdreamhome: I got SUCH a chuckle from your post! I probably would never have heard of whomever the TV guy is. Between not watching much TV in the first place, and spending the last two years in Cairo, well.....
BUT it got me thinking about one of the few shows I do watch, 24, and LOL, you just KNOW that Jack Bauer HAS to have a Lacanche!!!!
hee hee,
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 22:43
azdreamhome, I am going to choose to imagine Richard Belzer....no, how about Ice T! with the Lacanche. I see Jack Bauer as more of a Bluestar man, myself ;)
Actaully, I'm not sure Jack even EATS, does he? He's a very busy man.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 23:01
Yep, glad I kept my mouth (fingers) shut. :-) This way we can all imagine whomever we wish living in Beverly Hills with a Lacanche!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 9:07
edelweiss - below is the link to the AC support page. Adjusting the burners in in the after sales support on a video you watch from their site. You have to get a password from AC for that one. Keep on trying. I almost went insane trying to get ahold of them when I wanted to purchase, but once you're on the radar, it's fine.
I adjusted my burners. Thread #30 (or was it #29?) has more details. Get in contact with AC first b/c a person who adjusted at the same time I did had a valve break. I had no problem adjusting the collars or the gas height. She ran into an issue. AC shipped her the replacement part.
-a
Here is a link that might be useful: support page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by jonnyandhayley (My Page) on Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 13:16
Hi hayley and i have had a Burgundy Cluny for 18 months now and it looks terrific however we have real trouble with the ovens(gas and conventional electric) as we seem to burn the bottom of everything. i have been used to a fan oven all my life so never had a problem like this , are the ovens just running to hot? in which case should we do the temperature tests that have been discussed?
many thanks for any help
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by bertie_d (My Page) on Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 19:00
A little on the light side...I spoke with Matt our GC in Oregon at length yesterday. I asked about the LaCanche..Yes, it arrived and yes, they uncrated it to make sure everything was okay. "So, I said (with a tremor in my voice) how does it look?" He said "it is beautiful...I keep wanting to drive it!!" from him that is the ultimate compliment..wish I could see it.. Bertie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by hsheffield (My Page) on Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 20:24
hey there:
have thought I was going to buy a wolf df but went by the showroom today and it looks so clunky...
my kd is excited about lacanche and I was hoping this crowd could answer some questions:
1. am I correct to assume that the drawer looking things on the bottom are storage drawers?
2. how do the griddle and grill work? I understand they are placed over burners but was wondering about performance compared w/ 'built in' grills or griddles (like the wolf)
3. I see the pics of the cluny w/ the big turkey.....the measurements are SO small. could you guys really get a 26# turkey in there?
4. service? who?
5. can you specify a configuration and have it delivered? how long does it take from order to delivery? or do you have to choose from the the ac 'reserve' page?
thanks for your help!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 21:51
johnny, I would definitely check your oven temps and then call customer service to discuss. They will be able to shed some light into your burgundy baby.
hsheffield, I'll give it a shot:
1. yes, the drawers on the bottom are storage drawers on most common models.
2. Performance of griddle and grill?
We have several wonderful Wolfs in the family, but I have not tried their grill or griddles, nor do my relatives use them much. We have a Cluny and use the grill plate frequently with fabulous results. The griddle we also use and love. The only downside is that it is somewhat heavy to move around.
3. Turkey sizing: There are many owners here that do a large turkey, with very little room to spare. The French claim this is good because a close fit creates a moist humid cooking environment. We love to roast meats in the gas oven, but don't do turkeys too often.
4. service? who?
AC will give you a list of authorized service dealres, but the range is low tech and easily repairable. No digital controls like the beautiful Wolf.
5. can you specify a configuration and have it delivered? Yes. how long does it take from order to delivery? contact AC for current timing from France. or do you have to choose from the the ac 'reserve' page? No, but it is a convenient option and they can ship those immediately.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Thu, Mar 23, 06 at 0:17
jonnyandhayley -- I would LOVE to see a photo of your burgundy red Cluny! Is this possible?
On another note, out of curiousity, how would you classify the "look" of a Lacanche? Is it modern? Is it vintage? Something else? I've always fancied it as something that fits in great with traditional, old world looking kitchens. But I had someone on the homedecorating forum say she thought it looks modern. Just thought I'd get your opinions here. Here's the link (with updated photos of our Lacanche kitchen still being finished)....
Here is a link that might be useful: Finishing Kitchen, need your help...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Thu, Mar 23, 06 at 15:40
azdreamhome: I would classify the lacanche as "timeless"
hsheffield:
re:
3. I see the pics of the cluny w/ the big turkey.....the measurements are SO small. could you guys really get a 26# turkey in there?
The oven size was the one concern we had before ordering our cluny. Now that we have it, our concern was no issue at all. We have had our stove for 5 weeks now and have cooked for eight people a few times. The ovens worked just fine. If you consider that you put food in front to back, rather than sideways it doesn't seem bad at all. A brief caveat: we don't make cookies often, so the half sheet pan size is more than adequate for us. As well, we would never be making a 26# turkey, but maybe two 13#er's (aren't big birds tough?) My large all-clad roasting pan fits in the oven just dandy. To the best of my memory, nothing that would normaly go in an oven is as large as a large turkey.
Just by way of interest, we were watching some show on FoodTV last night, and my wife and I both cracked up when the chef placed a tray into what seemed like a cavernous oven.
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Fri, Mar 24, 06 at 1:31
azdream:
Your kitchen and home are in the final stages, ready for the Lacanche at last! What a dreamy, roomy space you've created in the desert. You must be elated to be so close to enjoying it, up close and personal!
I would not call the Range modern, but a French classic range that blends sucessfully with almost style I have seen it paired with, including contemporary.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sat, Mar 25, 06 at 17:36
joebolt -- yes, that's it.... "timeless." Or "classic" as annaleef says. That's how I would classify a Lacanche!
Thanks for the kind words annaleef! BTW, in the April 2006 issue of House Beautiful (in the Kitchen of the Month article), they have a stainless Cluny photograph (you can only see about 1/4 of it in the photo). But they also have a full photograph of a black Cluny and note that it is sold by AC. In the article itself, the woman that has the Cluny loves it.... of course. Sadly, they do not mention that it is duel-fuel. It's worth checking out at the newstands even if you do not buy the actual issue.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by kitchengirl (My Page) on Sun, Mar 26, 06 at 2:46
Ivette,
Belated congrats on taking delivery and finally getting your range into the kitchen!
Hello to Bertie and AnnaLeef!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Sun, Mar 26, 06 at 10:35
Back home from Spring Break and "WOW!!" all the activity here!
Congrats to all the new or soon to be owners!!
Ivette...Yahoo!!!! When do I get to come over??!!
hsheffield...re: #3...have you checked out the Sully? The ovens are bigger than the Cluny ovens. I have a Sully+2 and I have never come close to having any kind of problems with oven size. (I previously had double 30" convection ovens...thought I'd miss them, but don't.) In fact, I'm certain I could have easily been satisfied with the Cluny ovens, too. I hardly ever need the full size my ovens.
...re: #5...I think AC used to quote 8-12 weeks on a custom range, but current demand may affect that timeframe. Remember, the factory shuts down for the month of August and there is little to no activity then. What's your timing?
AZ...modern? That's funny! I can't see that at all!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 26, 06 at 13:00
Well, not being a decorator, I could be blowing smoke outta my fingertips. The Yellow fits very nicely into a "modern" kitchen. While we're not "industrial-modern", we're clean-lined, color-saturated "modern". We've focused on interesting materials and angular lines. The "traditional" look of the Lacanche just doesn't pop out & say "Boo!". It's color in the space. It's scale is perfect. It's vertical and horizontal lines are clean. It's a great transitional piece. It's the same sort of thing as the cabinets. While the cabinets are "shaker-style", you don't get the sense of Shaker "look". There's no "farm-house" about the space. One thing I noticed is that those lines add height to our 90" high walls. It fools the eye, giving the space a sense of more vertical space than there actually is. It's a great city kitchen.
Anyways, the pictures stink. But our KD's already staged & shot the space, so I should have better ones coming pretty soon. I'll post in the gallery then.
Range Wall
Appliances / work center / frig wall / entrance to laundry
From the laundry
Oh! Oh! on another front - we finally made a cookware decision. Our previous pans - ProHG just couldn't stand up to the heat off the burners. The finish started breaking down. We went with Demeyere which has rivetless construction. I'm sooo tired of banging around those rivets. What we noticed right off the bat, while we were cleaning & curing the pieces, is that this stuff holds its heat. Holy mother! I even melted / damaged my sink grill & that was after the pans had "cooled". I also chose to go with a sauteuse pan instead of a 3 qt pot. One of the things I like about the Demeyere is that it's "double boiler" are simply wide-lipped smooth bowls which fit over their pot lips. No special pot required! The handles are also very comfortable. They don't pinch like others we tested out. Most importantly, no finish nothing which breaks down under the heat.
Demeyere cookware - Atlantis series
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on Sun, Mar 26, 06 at 18:06
Andrea:
Your kitchen is exquisite. I can't wait to see the pics from the KD. What colors did you choose for the walls and backsplash over the countertops? We're looking for similar colors to bring out the green in our Cluny. The new color is more olive and less green then it had appeared on the website. We like the color but it's been harder to find a color that won't tends towards a camoflauge (sp?) look.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by downtowner (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 1:31
One of the great things about contemporary design is that well-designed "traditional" pieces fit right in.
We are all stainless appliances and stainless and beech IKEA cabinets. The stainless LaCanche fits right in.
I've had my LaCanche for a couple of years, but never posted a picture.
Here is a link that might be useful: Photo gallery of LaCanche&IKEA open plan kitchen
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 6:28
downtowner - Please make your photos public so that we can see your pictures! I can't wait to see your combination! Thanks!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by hsheffield (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 6:33
been out of town but wanted to thank everyone for their responses. great crowd here, obviously excited about their ranges!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by lpolk (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 10:39
Sorry, another newbie question.
I have spent the weekend reading lacanche 31, 30, 29, 28, 27 and I think 26... :) You guys should definitely get a commission, I am again mesmorized, like I was a year ago when y'all first introduced me to Lacanche. My long strange year of addition remodeling has gone from Lacanche, to Viking, to GE, and now hopefully back to lacanche. I want to stop the ride and get off!
My question:
I want the black cluny. I would love the 1400 but with a family of 2 can't justify it. The extra ~$4000 is too much. :( I just cannot decide between FT and classique. Most of you seem to get the classique. but those with a FT love it. I think the FT seems more useful, in that you can still use the center burner to boil water (which will be my main use of it) and sear/wok with the burner exposed, correct? But with the FT, you can also simmer and hold dishes, which is appealing because I entertain.
Aesthetically I can see how all-burners look better especially after the discoloration of the French Top (special thanks to all who post honestly used lacanche photos, very helpful to see what it will "really" look like, I cook!!)
I know the classique comes with a simmer plate, but I can't see if I'm entertaining how I could sacrifice two regular burners for it. It's hard to predict how I'd use it. Any advice?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 11:30
lpolk---I’ll take a stab here…I love my FT, but I have an advantage in that I have a very large range with a lot of burners. I have both the larger open 18K burner and the FT, as well as 6 other burners of the smaller sizes.
I like to make a lot of soups and cook with a wok, which is perfect with the 18K open burner. We also entertain a lot. I often find I have numerous pots going at once. The FT is useful for me because I can scoot the pots around on the FT as I need to change the intensity of the heat each pot gets. Once I adjusted to using the FT, I found that I like it better for multiple pots because usually I’m in a hurry. I find it easier to slide and scoot a pot here or there than I do to raise or lower a flame at an individual burner. I don’t have to bend down and look at the height of the flame. I can pretty much tell by what the contents of the pot are doing as to where I need to place it on the FT.
If I need a pot to boil, I place the flame on the FT at mid-to-hi, put the pot I need to boil in the middle, then the other pots around the edge. If I don’t need to boil, I usually put the flame low-to-med and go from there.
Scooting pots around on the FT allows me to give all (or most!) of my attention to a pot/pan that may require more focus. I find I burn or scorch a lot less when I use the FT!
I will say…I think it’s personal preference and what you get used to and how you are able to make it work for you. I’ve got the hang of it for my style of cooking, so I love it. I know there are some who don’t like the FT.
It does take time to get the FT up to temp. It doesn’t change temps quickly. Some say it throws a lot of heat into the room. My kitchen is large, so I don’t feel this issue.
Having said all this, if I had to sacrifice burners to get the FT, I would not do that. I seem to use mine a lot, but it’s mostly when entertaining or when I just happen to be making a lot of different dishes for one meal. If it cost me burners, I would get the regular burners and the simmer plate accessory and figure out how to get that to work for me.
I hope that helped some!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 17:48
lpolk: I have a cluny with a FT. I don't have the advantages momto4kids has with all those other burners. I love it! I ditto all the comments from momto4kids. It works exactly as I thought. It is also easy to remove the center cover to access the high burner for the wok or just to use.
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 18:01
lpolk: I can't comment from use - my cluny with the FT sits in my dining room - but I think the simmer plate might not be as portable as advertized. I have the grill and griddle and both are very heavy. So heavy in fact that I doubt I'll use them unless I decided to keep one permanently installed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by downtowner (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 19:00
Sorry.
Gallery is now unlocked.
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche in minimalist IKEA environment
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 19:23
downtowner -- your contempory kitchen is great! The Lacanche looks so fab sitting there. Have you enjoyed cooking on it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 23:12
oh, great city loft - Love that space, downtowner! The Lacanche does fit right in. Looks like you have a French top, unless my eyes deceive me. If so, how do you like using it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 0:22
downtowner - Great space; great kitchen. The Lacanche looks like it was born to be there too. Thanks for sharing!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by lpolk (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 9:55
downtowner, well done, GORGEOUS! I love your entire space. You're making me get all green-acres on my husband again. I'm in a 112 yr old house in the burbs, dreaming of a city loft... :)
Thanks for the FT feedback. The rep at Art Culinaire recommended Classique actually for flexibility, but I also wonder about lugging the thing out. So hard to say how/if you'd use something you've never used!
However, he also said that you really need the simmer plate (portable or FT) to get a low simmer on the small burner, is that your experience? I have to decide in two days! Must order this week... Thanks for the input.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 11:11
I've adjusted the low setting flame height on our small burner to the absolute minimum, and it's fine for 90% of the low simmering we do. For the remaining 10%, I position an 11" round cast iron griddle off center over the burner and put the sauce pan off center on the griddle. With that configuration I can get the simmer low enough to stop the bubbling altogether.
We used the portable simmer plate several times but found it too much bother to remove the regular grate and replace it with the simmer plate. The other issue is that our simmer plate does not have little rubber feet like the griddle and grill plates so it scratches the SS top. The scratches are not visible with the regular grate in place but DW is still unhappy about them.
Just for fun, I weighed the three plates using the standing on a scale holding the plates method. The numbers could be off by as much as a pound: Griddle Plate = 20.5 lbs. Grill Plate = 18.5 lbs. Simmer Plate = 13.5 lbs.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 12:00
Hi guys, I haven't yet adjusted the flames on our Cluny (I know, Doug, my husband even handed me the screwdriver last weekend, saying "Isn't this the one you need?" - I think after Julie's experience with the knob I'm just a bit timid. Anyway...)
My husband loves the kitchen, loves the Cluny, every decision I've made, but he keeps bothering me about the simmering. (I haven't really made anything that's demanded a long simmer yet. For a short simmer, I've just been treating the grates a bit like a FT and just moving the pans off the flame a bit. Anyway, would one of these things work? I've never used one before.
Here is a link that might be useful: heat diffusers
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by lpolk (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 13:24
Hey you guys, I am having a weird time in MA. I started a new thread because my problem is specific to Massachusetts, but it looks like I cannot install this appliance here. If you have any comments please check out that thread, I am really disappointed!
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche in Massachusetts?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 15:54
I have adjusted my small burner to low also, and as velodoug says it's fine for about 90%. I own what's called a "flame tamer" that sounds similar to the cast iron griddle he uses. Simply a small (8" diameter) cast iron plate that just distributes the heat.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by emillerpdx (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 19:03
Today we ordered a Cluny with the simmer plate, just under the wire before the price increases on 4/1. We wanted the Cluny 1400 but couldn't justify the extra 4K, someone else said the same thing earlier on this thread.
Should arrive sometime towards the end of June. Any other Portland (Oregon) Lacanche people out there, give a shout, interested to hear what your experience is with the range too, and any recommended kitchen remodelers who did a good job 'wrapping' the kitchen around the range.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by downtowner (My Page) on Thu, Mar 30, 06 at 1:48
Thanks for the kind words for our kitchen.
We love cooking on the Lacanche, but we love cooking. In this part of the world, as my neighbor says, there are a lot of gourmet kitchens, but not a lot of gourmet meals. I shouldn't says this on the applicance forum, but I don't think that the brand of appliance is an important factor in the quality of the cooking. We combine the Lacanche with a lot of auxiliaries, Advantium, induction rice cooker, built-in gas grill, electric kettle, super-automatic coffee maker, electric waffle iron and even an electric griddle, which my wife prefers for making pancakes. The thing I like about the Lacanche as time goes by is its flexibility and variety. DW loves the French top, but is not fond of the ovens --which I don't use much, but I've just learned need adjusting. But most importantly it is the look of the thing that makes us smile. Cooking is the time of day that we combine sharing with the family and creativity. Somehow, for us, the "pro look" just doesn't capture that ambiance.
As for the space, it is not a loft actually. It is the first floor of our townhouse (c. 1820), so it is narrower than a loft, but doesn't have bathrooms or bedrooms. Today we had the quintessential suburban experience of pouring a replacement slab to turn the basement into what used to be called a rec room. I suppose the RE ads would call it a "media room" or an "entertainment center," but it's just a rec room with a wet bar
.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Thu, Mar 30, 06 at 16:51
Hi all! Ok....Here goes....Have been hanging out here long enough.....Am taking the ferry over to Seattle Saturday to 'kick the tires' on the Sully at Art Culinaire. Am completely in love with the French Top, and so very glad to finally see some feedback on it! We spend the summers canning (jams, relish, etc. etc.) and the winters making soups, sauces, feeding neighbors, etc. etc....and I am so tired of trying to balance everything on a 4-burner! Until finding the Lacanche, had myself pushed into purchasing a Wolf just for the FT! So glad I'm here now....whew...Anyhow....
Is there anything that you all would suggest that we pay particular attention to when checking these out in person?? Any surprises that we may discover by actually touching and feeling them?? Not sure if AC has ranges that are actually hooked up to turn on and play with, or if we will be simply viewing the ranges listed on their Reserve page. I am completely sold on the Sully, but DH may need a push!
Oh, just a little background (or look-to-the-future)...getting ready to build our 'forever' home, currently have trees and dirt, but AC stated that they will store it until we are ready for it.
Thanks for all of your informed and positive input!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Thu, Mar 30, 06 at 21:39
emillerpdx -- CONGRATS on your Lacanche purchase! And I hope to hear how you like it once you receive it (with photos of course).
downtowner -- thanks for the feedback on your Lacanche. Sounds as if you and the wife are serious cooks and have lots of great experience!
honeysmomcooks -- great user name! I wish I could tell you about visiting AC but we purchased our range (Cluny 1400) sight unseen! I know a few others have actually been into AC to check them out in person (I would have if I could). Debto4Kids has a Sully+2 (plus a FT) so I'm sure she can give you the run-down on a Sully. Do you have an appt on Sat or are you just dropping in? If you can, make sure you get a chance to speak to Stan (or Tom). Good luck and please let us know how it goes, k?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Thu, Mar 30, 06 at 21:54
honeysmomcooks, I don't think Art Culinaire have any "live" ranges, but it still helps just to be able to see something before you buy, doesn't it? Plus you can pick up some color sample chips while you are there, if you are still undecided on colors.
You might want to bring a few pans to see how they fit in the ovens, although not such an issue with the Sully as with the Cluny.
Enjoy your visit!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Mar 31, 06 at 8:58
Congrats again to the newbies!
downtowner....beautiful!!!!!
honeysmomcooks...I have the Sully ovens with two warming cupboards. Like many of the others, we purchased sight-unseen, without testing anyone's range! You're lucky to be near enough to go to AC!! I have an FT and absolutely love it. With your canning and soups, you'll love having it, too! (Dare I bring this OT question up?! Since you're still designing/planning, are you adding the pot filler? I don't can, but do a lot of soups, etc...very convenient to have the water source right there.)
Quite a few of us have either had our order in queue for a very long time, or have had AC store our ranges while we get ready for them. You won't be disappointed!!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Fri, Mar 31, 06 at 11:11
Thanks for all of the positive support!
azdreamhome - Here's the scoop on visiting AC in person....Evidently they are generally a Mon-Fri 9-5 business, but there is a winery wing-ding in Woodinville this weekend so they are planning on being there this Sat.(yay!). We were told that since we have made prior arrangements and they know to look for us, then Sat. is fine. Spoke with Christie (answers the phones?) and Ryan, but will look for Stan & Tom. I do need to add that we were told that the prices will be going up on 4/1. Thus, my motivation to go this weekend and possibly/hopefully get this ordered.
momto4kids - Don't know about living 'near' AC....trip involves an hour on the ferry over to Seattle, driving from there, definitely getting lost in the 'big city', and a return trip....but it should be a fun day, kids and all!! As to house - scratch that - kitchen design, I feel like the people in that TV commercial that ask the designer to design their house around a kitchen faucet! ha! But really...we spend most of our family time in our kitchen and I feel that this would be a great piece to build memories around (both of my kids even made their own 'secret recipe' applesauces last summer!) Not sure about the pot filler, had not even occurred to me! hhhmmm... another thing to think about!
Will try to drop a line on Sunday with what we see/find out at AC! Sincere thanks again to all of you who contribute your wisdom and knowledge to this wonderful discussion.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Mar 31, 06 at 12:43
Good luck! Do take your favorite pan/cookie sheet with you if you have room. It'll make you feel better about any questions you may have regarding oven/burner sizes...not that it'll be an issue at all...it's just that they aren't 30" wall ovens you see a lot today and that is sometimes shocking to people until they realize they probably don't use up all that space anyway! I would love to visit AC's winery, too! Lucky you! Be sure to report back!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by margeaux (My Page) on Sun, Apr 2, 06 at 16:40
Hello to all of you present and future lacanche owners! I wonder if you can help me with the cluny vs. sully dilemna. I love them both but in spite of everyone saying the cluny ovens are big enough I can't seem to feel comfortable with the small size. The sully addresses that but I am having trouble getting used to the idea of putting a 55"+ range in my 12x18' kitchen. I also am trying to come to terms with spending around $13k on a stove. It seems so excessive to me. If anyone out there went through the same process I would love to hear your thoughts. thanks.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by downtowner (My Page) on Sun, Apr 2, 06 at 17:25
FWIW, I've gotten around to posting my IKEA/Lacanche kitchen in the Gallery. Brand new pics since last week!
Here is a link that might be useful: IKEA/Lacanche Townhouse/Loft hybrid kitchen for entertaining multitudes of imaginary guests
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Mon, Apr 3, 06 at 11:18
Good morning all! - Here is two cents on the Sully vs. Cluny discussion after visiting AC this weekend and getting to stick my head in both of these ovens. I walked in pretty much pre-decided on the Sully due to the oven sizes, but now am up-in-the-air between this and the Cluny 1400....same widths, same cooktop configurations available (love-love-love that french top!), just different on the bottom halves. It appears to me that unless you roast large turkeys on a daily basis (no, not just hubby!), that the Cluny ovens would be fine for most. Yes, they are 5" narrower, but the depth and height are the same. Being more of a cookie/cake baker than a big-time roaster, I think that it would be fine for my style cooking. AC had the Cluny 1400 displayed with what looked like an 11 x 15 roasting pan sitting in one oven. I think that you would simply need to adjust to placing your pans in front-to-back rather than sideways, as another poster mentioned.
As to price justification, well....here's how it was decided in our house....ALOT of our family time and memories are made and spent in the kitchen. It's not granite counters that our memories are created around, or beautiful flooring, but our stove and the meals/goodies prepared there. I'm not saying that I don't WANT these other things, but that in our home-building priority will be given to budgeting for the range first and then the other items may be added as funds allow. Again, just my two cents....!
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Mon, Apr 3, 06 at 16:18
margeaux: I have the cluny. The oven sizes were my only real concern as well. They are plenty big enough for most everything, unless, as honeysmomcooks mentions, you want to do large turkeys on a regular basis.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Mon, Apr 3, 06 at 16:20
margeaux...I responded to your other thread...I have the Sully ovens.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by margeaux (My Page) on Mon, Apr 3, 06 at 18:56
Thanks for your responses and apologies for "double posting" (didn't realize the other post went through).
I am going with the cluny. I only wish I had consulted with fellow lacanche enthusiasts sooner on this topic! I am at peace with this thing now and I am sure I am going to love cooking with my new work of art.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Mon, Apr 3, 06 at 21:20
margeaux - Congrats on your decision! Now we all want to know what color!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Tue, Apr 4, 06 at 6:34
margeaux - Congratulations! Yes, we need specifics now!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, Apr 4, 06 at 11:00
Congrats Margeaux! Yes, color please ....and delivery date?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by margeaux (My Page) on Tue, Apr 4, 06 at 19:51
Well, since you all have asked...! I am doing the matte black with the classique top. Yes, very safe but it goes with my choice of cream cabinets and calcutta gold marble countertops (we'll throw in a little bit of stainless steel and cherry countertops also). We are doing very dark oak floors and plan to put in a gas fireplace as well. We live in a very traditional New England colonial so I am trying to stay true to the sprit of the house.
I have enjoyed looking at all of the lacanche kitchens on the picture gallery and certainly have received inspiration from so many of you!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by histokitch (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 17:44
Hi, everyone. I'm trying to make a final range choice so that I can decide what I'm doing in the rest of my kitchen. I have a quirky 1895 Tudor house and am trying to put in a very simple kitchen that blends. Right now my kitchen is full of sleek cabinets and stainless appliances installed by the previous owner. After a lot of research, I have narrowed my range search down to Lacanche and Aga 6-4 (their duel fuel one, not the hot beast). Blue Star is too unfinished for me as far as the quality of their metal work, but I like the sound of the power. For me, though, beauty before brawn. Things I like about Lacanche: the choice of having a gas oven, the option of a french top. Things I'm not sure about: the broiler seems a bit weak, and the whole look is perhaps a bit dainty for my house. What I like about the Aga is the high burners 20,500btu(I have a commercial stove in my house now) and the strong broiler, and the price. I don't like quite how tiny the ovens are, and the fact that the ovens are only electric, and also that it's essentially a brand new, untested product.
My latest thought, if you're still reading, is to get a Volnay with a french top and a gas oven, and then get an electric wall oven with a strong broiler. I never read about people with the Volnay/Vougeot (sp?), so I'm not sure if they're less practical than the popular Sully/Cluny models, or what. I know which way most of you will fall on the Aga/Lacanche issue, and I guess I'll have to figure that out on my own, but I'm interested in those who combine the Lacanche with a wall oven.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 18:25
Hi all,
need to ask you all a question. do you have a problem with a strong gas smell from your oven when it's on? i smell it in my house and when i open the oven door. more so when i don't turn on the ventahood. i'm really concerned. it shouldn't have such a strong gas odor. anyone else? thanks, marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 18:51
margeaux --- your kitchen selections sound great. I look forward to seeing how it all comes together (with photos)!
histokitch -- welcome to the Lacanche forum. I also considered a Volnay/Veogeot (plus wall oven) combo for quite a while. But we ended up with a Cluny 1400 since I really wanted the range to be a focal point in our kitchen (substantial part of one end of the kitchen in alcove). I hope I don't regret giving up a separate oven (we won't install our Lacanche until later this month). Plus all of our appliances with the exception of an undercounter microwave are done with an overlay and having an extra wall oven would defeat what we were going for. I do think the Volnay plus oven is definitely a great option to consider but it seems like you do see a lot more Cluny (or Sully) purchases. I think they have a couple of Volnays on the AC Reserve page now. Good luck with your decision!
Here is a link that might be useful: AC Reserve page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 20:32
marilyn -
gas odor? Not me, that's for sure. I'd start with AC and the people who installed your range. I'd also suggest against using the range until you get it and the installation checked out.
There's also the list of supporting appliance places on the support page - don't forget about them.
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 20:34
nicksgram51: You should NOT have a gas smell period. Something sounds disconnected. I'd contact AC and get some advice from them.
histokitch: re: "the whole look is perhaps a bit dainty for my house." I know the pictures of them may look a tad dainty, but be assured, I could put this baby in my garage next to my tablesaw and it would win the tough look award! We too thought about getting a volnay and a wall oven but ultimately decided the cluny ovens were just fine - and they have proven to be so.Thinking about it, we don't use our broiler very often, usually just to brown up the top of something like lasagna and it works fine for that. What do you use your broiler for?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by histokitch (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 21:01
Thanks, Joe. It's not that I'm a broiler queen, it's just that I have a salamander now, so that's my reference. Typical stuff--yummy crusty cheese, creme brulee, steaks. Our Vulcan is 60", so we have a lot of space. I just thought it might be nice to reclaim a little counter because my workspace is disproportionally small. I actually do a lot of prep on my 24" griddle. I actually like my range, but it is 30 years old and no one here will service it. The commercial guys don't come to the house, and the residential guys won't touch it. It has 3 standing pilots, so it wastes a lot of gas, and it is hot all the time. I can't even use the oven because the door is not insulated and my kids are little. I have considered keeping it, but I don't think it's practical. Maybe because I'm attached to it, I think that's why the Lacanche looks so prim. I feel like I'm having a therapy session! I'll work through it. The Aga might be a bit gimmicky, and at least the Lacanche is the real deal.
ps, azdreamhome, if you're ever looking for live in help, let me know. I'd be happy to live in your kitchen. I'd be quiet. ;)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 8:47
Hi histokitch!
Welcome! Your Vulcan and Salamander do sound like they were great appliances!
I'm not a broiler queen either, but I don't seem to really have any issues with it's abilities. Maybe if I were an avid "broiler-er," I'd feel differently, but, fwiw, I think it suits my needs.
I have to agree with Joe! Maybe it looks dainty in pix, but it certainly is not! Here's mine in the kitchen. There are a number of us who have the FTs and use the regularly and love them. I also have a ss work surface on part of mine. It sounds like you'd like that. And the warming cupboards are wonderful. The configuration allows you a lot of flexibility.
Good luck deciding and jump in with questions!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 10:11
momto4kids - I have a question for you about your range configuration....In your pictures it looks like you have your FT in the center of your range, and the hob/wok ring set up on the end. Do you run into problems with not being able to center pots on the burners adjacent to the FT because of the elevated edge on it?? Thanks for sharing!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 14:44
honeysmomcooks...No, no such problems at all. The grates and width of each hob section are rather generous. Do you have a specific pot you're concerned about? Let me know and I'll see if I've got a similar sized pot and double check it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 15:37
momto4kids - Thanks for the offer!! Several BIG stock pots would be my concern. As I am thinking about it, I bet that my big canning pot (the big blue/black speckly kind) would probably be best positioned on the end on the traditional hob, with our other pots on the other burners & french top. When canning we have at least one, but usually two, other big stock pots on along with the canner. Wintertime is a bit easier - no canning, but lots and lots of soups, hearty stews, and friends!
On another note....I printed out a pic of your kitchen from the Finished Kitchens blog (flattery-flattery-flattery! ha!) to show to our builder and home designer as it is the only example that I could find of a kitchen with NO upper cabinets flanking the range! When I told these two MEN that I wanted no uppers they looked at me like I was crazy! They really don't "get" it! Thanks for posting your pics!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 15:53
Honey-
Re: no uppers...I know! I got the same thing. The guys thought I was nuts and had secretly placed bets that I'd change my mind before they were done. They were wrong!!
I have a blue/black speckled pot. Let me get it out with another stock pot. I'll report back, but probably not until tomorrow.
Thank you for the kinds words!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 16:01
Honey-
Re: no uppers...I know! I got the same thing. The guys thought I was nuts and had secretly placed bets that I'd change my mind before they were done. They were wrong!!
I have a blue/black speckled pot. Let me get it out with another stock pot. I'll report back, but probably not until tomorrow.
Thank you for the kinds words!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wrenf (My Page) on Sat, Apr 8, 06 at 13:59
Hello, could someone please do me a favor and e-mail me the sign-in name and password for the AC technical support page please. I had it stored in my computer but it crashed and we were not able to recover it. I am going to attempt to adjust one of my burners which is way too high. Wish me luck. Also has this happended to anyone? The piece that fits on the bottom of my gas oven is all bent and warped. I need to see if they will send me a new one. I don't know how it happened. Thanks, Judith
www.wrenf@aol.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Sun, Apr 9, 06 at 19:34
Honey...my blue/black speckled pot doesn't come close to the FT. Why don't you measure your biggest pot and let me check that measurement?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Tue, Apr 11, 06 at 20:29
momto4kids - Thank you thank you!! If it can handle my big canning pot (packed up til June, but holds roughly 10'ish jars, I think) and not be pushing my other stock pots off of the stove then I'm a TOTALLY happy gal! Should really have brought my pots with when we went to AC to check them out, but...it was Saturday, they were hosting a winery thing....and we didn't want to look like the Klampits (sp?) just dropped by and crashed their shindig!
Will drop a line when we finally get some dirt moving and order this wonder-range! Thanks again....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Fri, Apr 14, 06 at 1:14
old kitchen is no more. There is a big space with tape on the floor marking where my new cluny will reside when it gets here in June. It will be the last thing to the party. The electrician is done til the cabinets get here the 20th. The plumber comes tomorrow. Then drywall. We chose our granite slabs this week and set a template date for after cabinet installation. We fell in love with the Verde Esmeralda. It has wonderful movement and the dark color we were looking for. It will go well with the travertine floors and backsplash and the mahogany ceiling. Cabinets are going to be white. Also ordered the light fixtures for over the island and nook table (Iroko butcherblock on both) Can't wait for the Cluny to arrive because that will be the finish. We got the matte black with brass. The inspiration was the kitchen from the movie "Something's gotta give" with compromises to warm it up for my DH who works with and loves wood. There will be lots of warm wood touches in the doors and 17' window. and of course the ceiling we spent hours staining and are still finishing so it will be ready to go up after the cabinets go in.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by colohome (My Page) on Sun, Apr 16, 06 at 9:26
histokitch, I opted for the Volnay with a gas oven and a separate 27" electric convection wall oven. I really wanted the warming cupboard, this is what drove my decision. I have been in the new house for 4 months now, and I can tell you I am very very happy with this decision. It is the best of both worlds for me. I love my burgundy LaCanche with the french top, its looks and function are absolutely awesome. I am definitely still learning how to use this beauty but I assure you it is great fun! I really like the flexibility of a gas oven under the range, and a separate electric convection oven with a broiler. I am also thrilled with the warming cupboard. I use this frequently, even though I only cook for 2 on a daily basis. For me, this configuration saved money, provided everything I wanted, and allowed me to configure my work space in a very functional way.
I also looked at the AGA, but once I saw a picture of a LaCanche I knew this was the one for me. Like many others I bought it sight unseen, relying on what I had read here. (at the time, I read every archived posting on LaCanche - took a week, but it sold me!) My contact with AC was nothing but positive from the first day. I chose burgundy from the samples AC sent. I could not be happier. Good luck on your decision!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Apr 16, 06 at 19:05
am235 -- your kitchen sounds dreamy! I can't wait to see how it all comes together. Our Spekva Iroko butcherblock countertop gets installed on Tuesday...can't wait to see it.
colohome -- do you have any photos of your burgundy Volnay? I'd love to see it along with your kitchen. I still drool when I see the burgundy red Lacanches!
Our update: I left a message on Friday for Steve at AC....begging for him to hold our black Cluny 1400 for another week. Can you believe it? This was after I received the email notifying customers that storage charges are going up to $100/month. We were supposed to go for our final inspection late last week but our paver driveway is holding that up (starting install tomorrow). We do not want to install our kitchen appliances until after we pass inspection and closer to when we move in (security reasons mostly and I want our gas/electric turned on for installation). Our gas co. is notorious for taking a while after you get your certificate of occupancy.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Fri, Apr 21, 06 at 9:08
azdreamhome -
How is your driveway going? Did it get finished?
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by histokitch (My Page) on Fri, Apr 21, 06 at 9:29
Thanks, colohome. You completely answered my question. If I go this route, I will copy you with the burgundy as well. Just curious, which wall oven did you choose? That might be my next area of research.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sat, Apr 22, 06 at 12:52
andrea345 -- yes they finished the driveway and main walkway yesterday. We had our final inspection yesterday but have to fix a few small things and should pass (and get our certificate of occupancy) on Tuesday. Yeah! Also on Tuesday our black Cluny 1400 should be leaving Washington state and arriving in AZ either Friday or the following Monday. We will have power by then but I'm not sure about gas being available by then. We will move into the house about May 10th. Can't wait to see that Lacanche and fire it up!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sat, Apr 22, 06 at 15:20
Well, I still have another month until my range arrives, but I did receive my Modern-Aire hood yesterday! Modern-aire can color match to any of the RAL colors, so (hopefully!) this will be a perfect match for my RAL9001 (aka Ivory)Cormatin. The turnaround time was amazing--they got this hood to me in less than 4 weeks after ordering. One little regret: after obsessing between the polished and brushed stainless bands, I ended up going with the brushed. Looking at it now, I don't think the polished would have been as overwhelmingly flashy as I worried it would be. Actually, I was expecting there to be a stainless band along the front lip, as well (under the decorative pot rack bar), but I guess that was an option I needed to specify. Fortunately, I prefer the look without that band...so that little mistake worked out well for me.
Ah, slowly getting closer to the end product!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Sat, Apr 22, 06 at 17:22
Oh Kelly...It's gorgeous.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Sat, Apr 22, 06 at 18:31
Beautiful, beautiful, Kelly.
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 23, 06 at 9:36
azdreamhome - I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you. May your inspection go smoothly, or if it doesn't, may the inspector find something worth correcting.
Kelly - It's gawgeous!
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Sun, Apr 23, 06 at 10:09
AZ...good luck on getting your CO!!! I'm very excited for you!!
Kelly...ohmigoodness!! That's a beautiful hood! It'll be gorgeous with your range. Looking forward to more pictures!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 23, 06 at 12:13
It is a nice hood, isn't it? And one of the best things about it---even with the custom color it only cost me about $1300 plus shipping. (Note that it is only during my current kitchen-related spending spree that I feel OK saying anything 'only' cost me $1300!) When I priced out the similar Vent-a-hood (Excalibur) color matched to RAL9001, it was nearly twice that amount. However, I think I owe the excellent pricing to the fact that the range hood company doesn't have a local distributor in my area, so I bought directly from the manufacturer. A friend priced out the exact same model at her local dealer (in CA) and it cost at least $1000 more (and the manufacturer wouldn't sell directly to her).
Of course, no report yet on the actual performance (which counts for something too!).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by ophelias (My Page) on Sun, Apr 30, 06 at 23:35
Speaking of local dealers' costing more, does anyone know of a vendor in France or England or elsewhere in Europe that ships Lacanche ranges to the USA? Thanks.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, May 2, 06 at 11:35
ophelias -- do a search on this board for Vedazu who imported from Europe. She provides lots of info.
Well, after 10+ months in storage at AC, our black Cluny 1400 is being delivered TODAY sometime between Noon and 5:00 pm (PST). Wish us luck!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Tue, May 2, 06 at 11:43
AZ....Oh!!! I'm so excited for you! Please post pix when it arrives!!! Good luck!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 (2) clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, May 2, 06 at 11:55
Oops! No sooner did I post here than my builder called to tell me we are rescheduling delivery until tomorrow afternoon. We are getting our power turned on today (cross your fingers). Gas went on last week so we will be able to "install" (I hope).
I will definitely post pics by the end of the week... I hope.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by kitchengirl (My Page) on Wed, May 3, 06 at 15:45
Hi all,
Could someone please provide the url for the Lacanche finished kitchens blog? Is it still available? I know I bookmarked the site, but cannot find it!
Thanks very much.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Wed, May 3, 06 at 16:10
AZ...well, is it in???
kitchengirl...unfortunately, I think Nancy has left. The blog seems to stop at Thread #23...but it's wonderful that it's still there!
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Blog
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by kitchengirl (My Page) on Wed, May 3, 06 at 17:43
Momto4:
Thanks very much!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Wed, May 3, 06 at 19:10
Nothing too exciting to report. The Lacanche has ARRIVED and is sitting all crated up in our garage. We took off one end of the crate so I can see it from the side but we do not want to uncrate it anymore until the electricity gets turned on and the security system is working. Makes me real nervous to have that beauty sitting in our garage (we haven't moved in yet). Now I need to wait one more week (May 11th) to get it installed. I found someone in the Phoenix area who installs all the "exotic" ranges (Lacanche, Morice, LaCornue, etc.). He's the only name Art Culinere had on their website. When I spoke to him yesterday he says he wants to do the entire "uncrating" procedure and move it into the house, install, etc. I just do not trust my plumber to touch this baby. I can definitely wait one more week and sleep at night.
I will keep you posted and will definitely post some pics once it's in it's rightful place in our kitchen!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Thu, May 4, 06 at 10:58
Oh bummer...but YAY! at the same time! At least you have the comfort of knowing it's at your house!! That's a wonderful relief, I'm sure!! Looking forward to seeing pix of your beautiful kitchen (and the rest of your home!!)!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by maringirl (My Page) on Mon, May 8, 06 at 11:11
Hi everyone -- I can't remember how long I have been off these threads now because my home construction project has been a big blur. But sitting is my new garage, still in its crate, is a Sologne Green Chambertin with an open burner, French top and two regular burners. I can't believe it is finally a reality! After the help and input I got from all of you, I decided to go with this range, gas oven, and a separate Elan Vintage electric convection wall oven. It is also in my garage. I am way behind the curve on venting though, and need some help. I tried to find thread 28, but I don't think it is up anymore. We are going to do a VAH liner with a wood/venetian plaster hood, but I am getting conflicting information on the size of liner to use. Ours is wall mounted, and there aren't any uppers close enough to be an issue, so we really can go as big as we need to. I would love some advice, and if anyone can help me find thread 28, that would be great! I enjoyed reading this thread this weekend and catching up with you all! Thanks -- Val
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Mon, May 8, 06 at 11:43
Hi Val -- congrats on your Chambertin! Is that like a Volnay (one oven and one warming cabinet)? I would love to see photos of it when you have it in your kitchen. We also have our Cluny 1400 crated up and in our garage. I'm hoping to get it installed this Thursday. It arrived last Tuesday so I'm probably going to take the crate off of it today and examine it so if there are any problems I can report them within my seven (7) day window as required.
We also have the VAH with a framed in hood and will do some kind of paint treatment to it (venetian plaster is being considered also). I'll post pics at the end of the week (I hope). When is your Chambertin going into your kitchen?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by maringirl (My Page) on Mon, May 8, 06 at 19:05
AZ -- Thanks! The Chambertin is like a Volnay (oven plus warming cupboard), except that it is 4" wider to accomodate an extra hob. That way I didn't have to choose between the open burner and FT! We did peek to make sure there was no damage. After planning for so long it is amazing to see the real thing. That is exciting you are so close to finishing! We are about 6 weeks away (we hope!).
What shape is the framing for your hood, and what are you thinking for the finish? Val
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by histokitch (My Page) on Mon, May 8, 06 at 19:23
Hey Val--does the 4" gain show up in the oven or in the warming cabinet? Sounds interesting. I've been considering a Volnay so I could have a wall oven. Something else to think about (I'm sure my worn out husband will be thrilled).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by maringirl (My Page) on Tue, May 9, 06 at 0:44
Histokitch -- The Chambertin oven has the same dimensions as the Sully oven. I looked at the specs for the Volnay on the AC site, but they don't show the oven size. The Chambertin may just have a bigger oven door to compensate for the extra width (if you look at the two drawings on the spec pages, the Chabertin looks like it has a wider oven door than the Volnay). The Chambertin specs are actually grouped with the Fontenay. AC said this model is not ordered very frequently, but it accomodated my wish list.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Tue, May 9, 06 at 9:16
Hi Maringirl!
About your hood...I have a VAH liner, wood/plaster facade, and no upper cabs. My hood is 36 inches above the cooktop. My range is in an "alcove" so I could get away with the added height. I'm not sure what specs you've been given. The 3" overhang on each side is only a rule of thumb. While performance is important, aesthetics are important, too. You wouldn't want a hood that looks oddly disproportionate to the range.
My range and my hood are the same length, side-to-side. My range is large, so my hood is large. To have gone 3" beyond on each side would have just been too overpowering. I think there are another couple of people who don't have upper cabs and whose hoods are the same length as their ranges. Then there are a couple whose hoods are slightly larger.
Just grab a piece of graph paper. Sketch in your range and lower cabs. Then just cut out different sized hoods and see how the look placed at different heights and widths. That ought to give you a pretty good feel for what will look balanced. You might (or might not) need more CFMs if you decided to go higher off the cooktop.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by maringirl (My Page) on Tue, May 9, 06 at 10:53
Hi Momto4 -- nice to hear from you! Is your liner 22.5" deep or did you go with a custom liner? I think your range is exactly two times the size of mine -- how many CFM's did you go with? I know I saw a picture of your stunning kitchen when I was picking my range (well over a year ago), but I don't remeber how you finished the band. Did you plaster the whole thing or did you add a decorative element around the band?
Thank you! Val
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Tue, May 9, 06 at 13:01
Val...thanks for the kind words! Yes, my liner is the 22 1/2 " deep one. Actually, I have two 42" liners. I don't even remember the cfms! I'll have to check that and I'll post back. My liner is attached to the wall, then framed around. There is a simple wood band around the bottom portion and stucco on the rest. Here is a picture (not very clear, but at least it shows the hood):
>
Is thread 28 the one where we talked a lot about installation of the hood? I do my greasy, smokey, etc, type cooking on my back burners, so I wanted my hood to sit toward the back. Just remember...your range will project from the wall a bit more than what carpenters are used to with most other ranges (because of the back spacer or the island spacer, whichever you chose). If you want your hood to be positioned over the footprint of your range, the hood will need to be mounted out from the wall and not flush on the wall. This is not hard...it just needs to be considered when mounting.
Even though my hood sits back further than what most people would probably prefer, my frame is built out so the outside of my frame lines up with the edge of the range.
I hope I didn't just confuse you!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by maringirl (My Page) on Tue, May 9, 06 at 22:54
Momto4kids, thank you so much for the information. I'm glad that the 22.5" liner works for you because AC said they recommend 24" (which is custom, costs more, and worse than that, has a 12 to 14 week lead time). I have gotten wildly different information from VAH about which model to get, everything from a 46" wide 900 CFM to a 52" 1800 CFM(!). My particular range is 43.5", so I'm inclined to go with the 46" for scale as you mentioned. If you don't mind me asking yet MORE questions about it, what material did you use to fill the gap at the front of your hood between the shell and the liner? Is the liner level with the bottom of your shell? Thanks again! Val
Go back to Lacanche homepage: http://lacanche.blogspot.com/
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Wed, Mar 8, 06 at 15:55
Hi everyone. I thought I'd start off a new Lacanche thread because part 30 is so long now and I need your HELP!
We are finishing up our house and Lacanche kitchen and I need some final design help. I just posted over on the decorating forum but thought since you love the Lacanche you might be able to help me make it fit into our new kitchen.
Here's the link to the post on the decorating thread. Beware it is a long post but it has photos to help you understand what I'm going for.
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/decor/msg0315492119550.html
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Follow-Up Postings:
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Wed, Mar 8, 06 at 15:56
And here is the link to Lacanche ranges part 30....
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche ranges part 30
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by fishlessman (My Page) on Thu, Mar 9, 06 at 13:26
thanks for the heads up on the forum change, i didnt want my post to get lost with the change so ill repost it here. when i bought my cluny i think we were on part 3 or 4. its grown a bit i see.
ive had my cluny for a few years now, i have the one with the wok style top and was wondering if they make a removable simmer plate to fit over the center. also for those that use the side simmer plate, do you put it over the 2 medium burners or on the other side with the large and small simmer burners. i really like the wok setup for most of the year and use it alot, but for the holidays it would be nice to have that large center simmer plate if one is available. for the person asking about pots and pans, i wouldnt do without a lecreusett pot and braiser, a lodge cast iron skillet and a cheap carbon steel wok. my kitchen aint much, but the stove makes up for it.
Here is a link that might be useful: cluny at camp
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Thu, Mar 9, 06 at 14:16
fishlessman -- Art Culinaire does not have a large simmer plate on their web page or in their current price list, but there is one on the UK Lacanche web page. A Google search will turn up several suppliers in the UK if AC can't help.
We put our two burner simmer plate on the side with the large and small burners. The small burner is almost always set to the lowest level. The large burner is set according to what we're doing wih it, but very seldom above half power.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Thu, Mar 9, 06 at 17:32
fishlessman and doug, do you leave your simmer plates on your ranges all the time? I was thinking of getting a one-burner simmer plate because I do want a burner available that will keep a low simmer, but I'm not sure that I want to dedicate two burners to the simmer plate. The Lacanche simmer plate seems too heavy to take on and off very frequently.
My husband, who rarely cooked before the kitchen was finished, now offers to cook whenever he's home for dinner. He loves the Cluny, but he does grumble about its inability to simmer. I keep promising to adjust the flame (Doug, your kind reminder about how easy it is still rings in my ears), but I haven't adjusted them yet.
The only other issue is the temperature of the gas oven, which does seem to be about 50 degrees off. Do you all just adjust your temps accordingly or have you adjusted your ovens somehow? (About this, I just tell my husband that the oven came all the way from France; what does he expect?)
Other than the simmering issue, we are loving our Cluny. Even the kids agree that our food tastes better. I'm sure it's the range's high heat, which lets us sear better than we ever could before (and which we might have been able to do on any other high BTU range), but we are using both ovens frequently, and boy does that Cluny look great in our kitchen!
Thanks to you all for your advice and input!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Thu, Mar 9, 06 at 18:15
wilsonb -- We have a four-burner Cormatin. In addition to the two-burner simmer plate we also frequently use the two-burner griddle plate and occasionally the two-burner grill plate. The latter two always go on the side with matched 11,000 BTU burners. With six burners worth of accessories and just four burners to work with something has to give. The griddle and grill come off when they need to be cleaned. The simmer plate comes off when we need one of the burners under it for another task.
With some guidance from the folks at AC I calibrated our gas oven using just an accurate thermometer and same screwdriver I use to adjust the top burners. It takes a little longer than adjusting the top burners because the oven temperature has to stabilize between tries, but the whole operation took less than an hour. The temperature is now as close to spot on as I can measure.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by fishlessman (My Page) on Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 10:46
wilsonb, i moved the simmer plate over to the 11000 btu side last night and and checked to see how low it would simmer a lecrueset dutch oven full of water. it kept it at 195 on the lowest setting.please note that im running the stove on propane and this causes a btu loss. ive had the simmer plate on the other side for a while, but wanted to get some use of the bigger burner over there. you can get the temps up pretty high on the simmer plate and cook on it. start the cook on the bigger burner and transfer to the simmer plate that has been heated up with the burner setting on high. i dont use the griddle plate as i find that a well seasoned cast iron pan is just as good an easier to keep clean. for high temp searing i use a big green egg bbq outdoors that can get up to much higher temps. i dont have a hood and dont like searing indoors with the smoke. i use a maverick dual probe temp gage for the oven and can get temps very accurate with it,
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 17:19
doug and fishlessman - Thanks for your responses. We use our griddle all of the time (breakfast is very big in our house), although it isn't yet as well-seasoned as I'd like it to be. Right now, the only oven thermometer that I have is an analog (do you use that term for thermometers?) thermometer that takes some time to record the temperature. I guess that I had better go out and buy a digital thermometer. Is that what you both have?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 19:49
Hello all,
This is a question for anyone with a Matte Black Lacanche range. Is this color hard to keep clean? Specifically, does it show grease splatter. Does it wipe clean or leave marks on the finish? We are deciding between Matte Black, White or Burgundy Red.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 20:06
wilsonb -- Analog is a good descriptive term for non-digital thermometers, and it's the kind I use. Here's a photo of the one I bought fron Fantes. Because the oven temperature cycles up and down in normal operation an analog thermometer that smooths the readings a bit is probably better than a digital instrument.
am235 -- We have a black Cormatin. The color is called matte in the US but the same finish is called satin in France and I think that's more descriptive. In Benjamin-Moore paint terms it's more like a semi-gloss. It is not hard to keep clean at all, and no marks are visible. In comparison, the textured glossy finish on our fridge is a real inconvenience.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 21:24
ditto Doug's comments about the analog thermometer. Our digital one STINKS on the gas range. It's just inaccurate. My cooking times on the gas side are on-spot with recipes, so adjusting per the digital just screws it all up. It's my electric which is 50 degrees off & that's predictable & I know I gotta call it in, but what the hey.
The digital thermometer I got is good, it just can't take the gas cycling. Go with an analog.
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 11, 06 at 23:07
Velodoug,
Thank you for the info on black finish. Decided to go with the White. It was the color that first caught our eye and will look great in the kitchen we have planned. Thanks to everyone on this thread (and the others before it), we will soon become owners of a Lacanche Cluny.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by doubleyellow (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 3:10
The guy who came to put the new stuff on my Sully (unsuccessfully--it turned out) told me that the ovens are always off by what seems like about 50 degrees --and he thinks it is because they don't do the conversion from Centigrade to Fairenheit right -- I said it's pretty easy- just 5/9 or 9/5 and plus or minus 32. He thinks that's exactly the problem - that they forget the 32!! (Which is pretty close to 50--and there is a little wiggle room on the knob)
So the new panels finally came to replace the damage to the original (that was sent to the wrong kitchen, wrong city, storage in a different city, then, all banged up, to me-if anyone remembers the sad story) -- AGAIN messed up!! Crunched. Have to start yet again ordering new panels from France and praying that forklift operators aren't having a rowdy day. Sigh.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 8:27
doubleyellow-How disappointing! I'm sure that AC will get it right, but you must be so anxious to have your range looking perfect. That's interesting about the oven temps - makes perfect sense. Did the tech tell you how to adjust the temps or adjust yours while he was there?
am234 - Congratulations! You're going to love it! We have a Cluny and use its two ovens more than we ever imagined, often using the gas oven as a warming oven. Have fun!
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 13:11
Yay! After many delays and gas line installation worries, I have FINALLY ordered a lovely little 4 burner Ivory and chrome Cormatin....ETA end of May! Yippee!
Kelly
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 13:25
Congrats to the new Lacanche owners (am235 and klb2000)! am235 -- did you order white or Ivory?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 15:53
My research seems to indicate that MOST ovens are off by at least 25 degrees farenheit, so Lacanche is no different. All ovens can be recalibrated. My understanding is that the Lacanche can be recalibrated by the homeowner. I can't help you with exact instructions yet, but I know that previous Lacanche threads had details on how to do this. AC can also help.
I'm fully expecting my ovens to be "off" when I FINALLY install it (will that day EVER come????????). Not to worry, it can be adjusted.
All the best,
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 19:10
azdreamhome,
We decided to get white. It will go with the kitchen we have planned best (modeled after the "Something's Gotta Give" movie kitchen-with some differences). We have ordered white cabinets and plan on black counters, except the island and nook table will be Iroko wood tops. We are putting mahogony planking on the ceiling. The floors are already honed travertine. The backsplash will most likely be tumbled stone in a brick pattern. We are still in the early stages and have not ripped out the old kitchen yet, although DH is itching to do so.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 20:04
am235 -- the "Something's Gotta Give" kitchen was to-die-for and all your choices sound wonderful. Besides the white cabs, white Lacanche, I love the idea of the mahogany-planked ceiling. Beautiful. We are waiting for an Iroko butcherblock countertop right now to finish off our kitchen (and the Lacanche, of course which won't arrive until April).
I would love to see photos of your kitchen when you are done!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 23:27
azdreamhome-- As I am new to the forums it will take me some time to figure out how to post photos and add links to go to. As I said, we are just getting going on this remodel and expect it will be quite some time before I have anything to show anyone.
I have been following your kitchen, and it looks great!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 1:29
azdreamhome--I know I said we decided to get white, but when it came right down to placing the order I got the matte black. Estimated time of arrival-June 10, 2006. I ordered it off of the reserve list. There are just too many shades of white and with the cabinets being white I decided in the end to go for the classic. Everything goes with black. And we are getting black counters. I made the final decision on the range so I'll let DH pick out the stone for the counters.
Now on to ordering the knobs and pulls for the cabinets. I found exactly what I wanted at Van Dyke's Restorers. The sample knob came today and it's just right.
Any ideas on venting? This is what we had been planning to order--Modern Aire PML 40X22 with liner to build in and vent to the outside (range is on an outside wall) with the most powerful motor we can. DH is tall and does not want to hit his head on the hood enclosure so it will be placed as high as possible to still be efficient.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 14:09
Hi all-- I found that thread 28 talks quite a bit about venting. I'll go read that.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 16:13
Ah ha! Another matte black convert! :-) I was in LOVE with the burgundy red and when it came time to order I also went with the black. And now that I'm about a month away from having it delivered, I'm really excited about the black. You are right, black works with any kitchen. It's kind of like a neutral in that sense. June will be here before you know it!
Regarding the vent issue, it soulds like you found the right thread. I went on and on about venting there for awhile. But a lot of people have discussed it here on this thread over the years so you should be able to find lots of info in the archives. Good luck!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 16:36
Am-Congratulations! You'll love the black! I have a black one, too!
As for venting...once you figure out which vent system to get (I have VAH), you just need to be sure you have it placed correctly over the footprint of your range. With the back riser or the island spacer, your range will sit forward into the kitchen more than a "standard" range. Therefore, you may want to consider mounting your hood to sit forward as well. Not complicated at all...just not something people initially contemplate. Come back if you have questions. We have plenty of answers!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 18:12
Pulling the hood forward also pulls the duct forward. That may or may not interfere with routing it through the cabinetry. Another approach is to buy a deeper hood. Our 27" deep Vent-A-Hood covers the front of the front burners on our (black) Cormatin.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 6:53
am235- DH is 6'5" and we were worried about the hood height too, but I think that he's found cooking to be comfortable. We have a 24" deep VAH Excalibur (which obviously doesn't cover the front 3" of the range) mounted 31" off the top of the range (my contractors were adamant about sticking to the VAH specs). When I asked him to bump the hood out to 27", the contractor acted like I was crazy, saying that DH would bump his head on it all the time. He promised that he'd come back and build out the hood if it didn't capture all of the smoke, etc. As it turns out, allowing the hood to be a big shallower than the range but mounting it within the specified height was a good decision for us. We've fried bacon and seared meat, and not had any problems with smoke or fumes escaping.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by mara1331 (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 12:13
Hi all,
We just had our Black Cluny installed last Friday and I think I'm enjoying it.... It's been waiting in the garage for so long I think it's still a dream..
I have many questions, let's start with why is the manual so inadequate? Does anyone else think it's lacking? Secondly, I just can't seem to figure out how to use the burners, plates etc... We have the classique model. I think I'm having trouble with the ovens, I guess they are off too. I will get an oven thermometer. The ovens are small? I think the standard 1/2 pan is slightly too small. I can close the oven door but I think it's sitting on top on the rack end, tilting the pan instead of flatly on the rack. Thanks for any advice that you can give me..
Maggie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 18:33
Maggie: Congrats!
In what way do you feel the manual is inadequate? Just turn the burners to the heat you need. It may take a bit of practise - it did for me beacuse the level of heat it puts out is greater than what I'm used to. Try cooking things you are familiar with and you will adjust in no time. Can you ask specific questions that we might help you better.
My electric oven is bang on. The gas oven is off somewhere in the vicinity of 25-50 degrees. I plan to adjust it as soon as I find someone to tell me how, although it looks like it is similar to the burner adjustments (Have you viewed the videos from the AC site?) Get a good oven thermometer. The ones from Vons are usesless. Go digital or a high end one like what someone on this thread posted a link to.
I find the oven an okay size, but agree that having a half pan have to situp on the back rack is annoying. I don't bake that much, so I just put a piece of drywall corner bead at the front to even it out. I think I may call AC and see if there is a more elegant way of doing this.
Tomorrow is St Patrick's day and my anniversary. We will be having people over for the traditional corned beef and cabbage, potatoes, irish whiskey and a black and white chocolate Guiness mousse.
--
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 8:17
Hi Maggie. Congrats on your Cluny! Our experience is like Joe's - the electric oven is accurate, but the gas oven is off by about the same amount and, like him, I'll adjust it when I get the time. Until then, I'm just adjusting the temperature up. As far as their size, the ovens are small, but I'm finding it a small trade-off for having two ovens (right under the range-top), which I use frequently.
I often use the gas oven as a warming oven while I'm cooking something else in the electric oven. So far, I've found that the ovens accommodate all of my baking and roasting pans (sometimes with not much room to spare!) I haven't baked cookies or a mass of biscuits yet (which is what I'd use the sheet pans for), but my plan is to use a smaller sheet pan and three racks in whichever oven I use. Enjoy your new range!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by fishlessman (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 10:46
i have seen so many posts about the oven temps being off with the gas. when turning the gas knob one way then the other you can feel a little play in the knob. with my ovens, i turn the knob past the desired settings and then slowly back down to where i want it set.this compensates for the play in the knob and linkage. they are within 10 degrees of were they should be and thats close enough. put a cast iron pan in there and give it a try, i dont think an empty oven is a good way to check temps, you need some heat mass in there. just remember that the oven temps go up and down when the burners go on and off. with regards to the oven racks, mine are a few years old and maybe there have been changes, but mine push back to a stop, and by pushing a little harder, they will go in a little farther. when using a half sheet, it does sit flat
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 13:17
maggie: I sent an email to Steve at AC asking about adjusting the gas oven and also the issue with the cookie sheet. The cookie sheet thing turns out to be the easiest - just push the oven rack farther back! There is a slight catch that keeps the rack where you and I have been using it, but just another push and that puppy goes all the way to the back allowing a nice, flat cookie sheet.
Here is the portion of the email concerning adjusting the oven, which sounds more complicated than it really is. BTW, if my oven was off by only 25 degrees I probably wouldn't even bother. Most ovens will heat to 20 degrees above the set temperature and then not come back on until 20 degrees below the set temperature, so there is a big built in range. The main idea though, is that the average temperature be what the oven is set to. Anyway, the instructions:
1) Place the oven thermometer on the oven rack in the center of the oven. (You won't need to do this if you have the new hand-held digital thermometer.)
2) Turn the oven control knob to the 350 degree setting.
3) Listen for the oven burner to stop heating. (If you put your ear near the bottom of the oven door you can hear the gas burning/flowing.) It will stop when the thermostat senses the oven has reached 350 degrees (about 10-12 minutes).
4) Open the door enough to see what temperature your thermometer shows.
5) To make an adjustment, turn the knob back to the "Off" position. (This is done so the shaft doesn't rotate as you are adjusting it.)
6) Carefully pull off the oven control knob. Place your screwdriver down the center shaft of the control knob and go all the way to the back. Find the slot by turning your screwdriver until it drops in the slotted screw.
7) Rotate the screw counter-clockwise approximately 10 degrees (on a 360 degree dial) for every 25 degrees of temperature change. This is pretty much a hit or miss adjustment since you're going by feel. I tell people it feels like you're moving it about 1/16 of an inch.
8) Put your knob back on and turn the oven back on to the 350 degree setting.
9) Listen for the gas to shut off and open the door to see where it turned off. Hopefully it was at 340-350 degrees. If a little less, repeat the steps above.
10) If it's over 350 degrees, you went too far and you'll need to find the screw and adjust it back clockwise until you hit close to 350 degrees.
If you'd like to take a look at a Technical Bulletin explaining this you can go to www.frenchranges.com/support where you will click on "After Sales Service" and enter the user name and password they sent you to access the Technical Suport Page. Look under "Third Party Manuals" and click on Harper Generation Six Oven System - Field Service Bulletin.
Hope that helps,
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 14:15
Thanks everyone for the venting advice. We are going to order a Modern Aire hood liner. PML 40X22 with a 600 or 1000 CFM motor and center it over the burners. It was the only manufacturer I checked out that actually recommended placing the liner 30-36 inches off the range top. We plan to put it at 36 inches so will probably get the bigger motor just to be safe. Since the only cabinetry over the range is what encloses the vent we will have plenty of room for the liner to be positioned how we need it. We allowed for several inches on each side of the range and can place the hood at any depth we need. We will be building the hood surround around the liner.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 11:41
Good morning folks,
now that i have been using my beautiful burgundy Cluny 1400 for about a month,i'm having a hard time getting good results from any cleaner or stainless steel polish to get a streak free stainless steel top. the stainless cover over the french top is rather rough in texture vs. the inside surround of the burners which is a smoother texture.even the vents in the back and spacer looks sort of streaky to me. nothing so far works well. i've even used microfiber cloths with just plain water and a dry towel, nope, didn't work. give me some of your results and what you use to get a streak free top. thank you in advance, marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 12:49
I'll be interested to hear how others clean theirs also (we will have ours delivered next month, ordered June '05, started drooling over Lacanche a few months before that). I don't like a dirty looking range. And I'm guessing I will "baby" the Lacanche for a while. I've been waiting so long for it (Cluny 1400 also). Are you enjoying cooking on/with it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 12:50
nicksgram51,
I don't have the FT, but we use 409 on our stainless cover with a regular old cotton terry cloth & it comes up streak free. We do use a lot of 409 on it if we've made a greasy mess.
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 20:16
Azdreamhome,
i love it! getting used to the different btu burners, but, i also need to adjust the simmer burner as well as the gas oven, 25 degrees lower than supposed to be. browning and searing is very quick. i love the warming cupboard, until yesterday i used it just for warming bread and rolls for dinner, but, i decided to try and slow cook all day with my Le Crueset, and a pot roast. it worked wonderful, (so did the LC)...
i like the electric oven for baking, i always had a gas oven, which to be honest, haven't noticed a big difference between the two as far as results. but, they are both fine for me. i made a couple of cakes and they came out beautiful. the next thing i want to try is homemade bread. i think i remember somewhere it was said, the electric is better for baking bread. correct me if i'm not right on that one. i just seasoned my french top for the first time yesterday as well,(smeared mineral oil all over it, and let it cook for a couple of hours.
i'm very happy with this range, i love the color, the ease of everything,(except the streaky stainless steel)but, i'm sure i'll get good advice here. i'll even try 409. marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by debbie814 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 21:13
Can someone please give me the depth of the Cluny. I can't seem to find the depth on the AC website, and it's too late to call them this evening. Thanks, Debbie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 23:03
Debbie, check the Cluny specs posted on the "support" page (kind of hidden if you don't know where to look for it!)
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Support page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by debbie814 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 7:21
Thanks!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by mara1331 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 13:53
Thanks Joe, for all your help!
I bought a good oven thermometer and found that the electric oven is 25 degrees slow, and the gas oven is 75 degrees fast! That's quite a spread... I'll print out your directions and see if my partner can do the trick!
What's the deal with the drip pans and racks? Must we use those? Do they stay in the oven?
I didn't buy any of the optional grills etc. with the range, will any work with the range?
Thanks again,
Maggie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 13:58
Marilyn, I've been using just a sponge and some dish soap to get the big grease and then just a damp microfiber cloth to shine it up. I'm not sure why that's not working for you. When I first got it (and still occasionally) I'll use Stainless Steel Magic, which also seems to work fine. I've also had good luck using Barkeeper's Friend (gently) on the burner caps, which gets the brass looking like new (although I'm not sure how long I'll be this fastidious!). But for now, everything still looks like new!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by krobson (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 20:45
Hi,
I'm new to this, so forgive a possibly silly question. Is the Lacanche oven easy to clean? Does anyone miss having a self-cleaning oven? I am considering a Cluny for my new house, but am worried about the non-self cleaning aspect.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:06
wilsonb,
i could be a little over the top,since it's so new. i went 2 steps more than i probably will not continue to do. i got a hold of the brass gas burners, cleaned them with barkeepers' friend, that wasn't enough, i kept looking for more work, i then cleaned them with metal polish,(the kind you use for cleaning the metal on cars), then had to polish them with brasso. they shined like a new penny! this craziness won't last too long. marilyn:)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:27
OMG!!
It's
in
the
KITCHEN!!!!!
It really is! And it's still blue and beautiful! Totally not hooked up, but who cares?? it's even in it's "place" !!
Oh happy day!
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Congrats, Ivette clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:55
congratulations, Ivette,
it's so exciting to finally see it in your kitchen, like someone gives us a long awaited Christmas gift. wait until you actually see a burner light up!!! many happy cooking years!!! marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 22:47
Ivette, there you are!
Yes, that reassuring little red light is about to warm your heart every time you pass it. Ain't love grand!
This must mean you finished painting those Crowne Point cabinets! Can't wait to see your classic kitchen.
krobson - I think the oven is pretty easy to clean, but then I never bothered to use the self-cleaning feature on old ovens.
cleaning the brass burners - DH wants them to develop a patina of use, so we stopped going crazy with polishing last year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 6:33
Ivette - Congratulations! Do you have pictures posted somewhere? When will you be cooking??
Krobson - The self-clean feature on my old oven never cleaned it fully. I simply wipe down the inside of my Cluny ovens once in a while and they seem to keep clean. There used to be a lot of discussion on the forum generally about the pros and cons of self-cleaning ovens. Many people deliberately avoid self-cleaning ovens while others wouldn't live without them. I think those people with Lacanches have found that keeping their ovens clean isn't a problem. Good luck with your decision!
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 13:11
Yay! After many delays and gas line installation worries, I have FINALLY ordered a lovely little 4 burner Ivory and chrome Cormatin....ETA end of May! Yippee!
Kelly
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 13:25
Congrats to the new Lacanche owners (am235 and klb2000)! am235 -- did you order white or Ivory?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 15:53
My research seems to indicate that MOST ovens are off by at least 25 degrees farenheit, so Lacanche is no different. All ovens can be recalibrated. My understanding is that the Lacanche can be recalibrated by the homeowner. I can't help you with exact instructions yet, but I know that previous Lacanche threads had details on how to do this. AC can also help.
I'm fully expecting my ovens to be "off" when I FINALLY install it (will that day EVER come????????). Not to worry, it can be adjusted.
All the best,
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 19:10
azdreamhome,
We decided to get white. It will go with the kitchen we have planned best (modeled after the "Something's Gotta Give" movie kitchen-with some differences). We have ordered white cabinets and plan on black counters, except the island and nook table will be Iroko wood tops. We are putting mahogony planking on the ceiling. The floors are already honed travertine. The backsplash will most likely be tumbled stone in a brick pattern. We are still in the early stages and have not ripped out the old kitchen yet, although DH is itching to do so.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 20:04
am235 -- the "Something's Gotta Give" kitchen was to-die-for and all your choices sound wonderful. Besides the white cabs, white Lacanche, I love the idea of the mahogany-planked ceiling. Beautiful. We are waiting for an Iroko butcherblock countertop right now to finish off our kitchen (and the Lacanche, of course which won't arrive until April).
I would love to see photos of your kitchen when you are done!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 12, 06 at 23:27
azdreamhome-- As I am new to the forums it will take me some time to figure out how to post photos and add links to go to. As I said, we are just getting going on this remodel and expect it will be quite some time before I have anything to show anyone.
I have been following your kitchen, and it looks great!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 1:29
azdreamhome--I know I said we decided to get white, but when it came right down to placing the order I got the matte black. Estimated time of arrival-June 10, 2006. I ordered it off of the reserve list. There are just too many shades of white and with the cabinets being white I decided in the end to go for the classic. Everything goes with black. And we are getting black counters. I made the final decision on the range so I'll let DH pick out the stone for the counters.
Now on to ordering the knobs and pulls for the cabinets. I found exactly what I wanted at Van Dyke's Restorers. The sample knob came today and it's just right.
Any ideas on venting? This is what we had been planning to order--Modern Aire PML 40X22 with liner to build in and vent to the outside (range is on an outside wall) with the most powerful motor we can. DH is tall and does not want to hit his head on the hood enclosure so it will be placed as high as possible to still be efficient.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 14:09
Hi all-- I found that thread 28 talks quite a bit about venting. I'll go read that.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 16:13
Ah ha! Another matte black convert! :-) I was in LOVE with the burgundy red and when it came time to order I also went with the black. And now that I'm about a month away from having it delivered, I'm really excited about the black. You are right, black works with any kitchen. It's kind of like a neutral in that sense. June will be here before you know it!
Regarding the vent issue, it soulds like you found the right thread. I went on and on about venting there for awhile. But a lot of people have discussed it here on this thread over the years so you should be able to find lots of info in the archives. Good luck!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 16:36
Am-Congratulations! You'll love the black! I have a black one, too!
As for venting...once you figure out which vent system to get (I have VAH), you just need to be sure you have it placed correctly over the footprint of your range. With the back riser or the island spacer, your range will sit forward into the kitchen more than a "standard" range. Therefore, you may want to consider mounting your hood to sit forward as well. Not complicated at all...just not something people initially contemplate. Come back if you have questions. We have plenty of answers!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 18:12
Pulling the hood forward also pulls the duct forward. That may or may not interfere with routing it through the cabinetry. Another approach is to buy a deeper hood. Our 27" deep Vent-A-Hood covers the front of the front burners on our (black) Cormatin.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 6:53
am235- DH is 6'5" and we were worried about the hood height too, but I think that he's found cooking to be comfortable. We have a 24" deep VAH Excalibur (which obviously doesn't cover the front 3" of the range) mounted 31" off the top of the range (my contractors were adamant about sticking to the VAH specs). When I asked him to bump the hood out to 27", the contractor acted like I was crazy, saying that DH would bump his head on it all the time. He promised that he'd come back and build out the hood if it didn't capture all of the smoke, etc. As it turns out, allowing the hood to be a big shallower than the range but mounting it within the specified height was a good decision for us. We've fried bacon and seared meat, and not had any problems with smoke or fumes escaping.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by mara1331 (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 12:13
Hi all,
We just had our Black Cluny installed last Friday and I think I'm enjoying it.... It's been waiting in the garage for so long I think it's still a dream..
I have many questions, let's start with why is the manual so inadequate? Does anyone else think it's lacking? Secondly, I just can't seem to figure out how to use the burners, plates etc... We have the classique model. I think I'm having trouble with the ovens, I guess they are off too. I will get an oven thermometer. The ovens are small? I think the standard 1/2 pan is slightly too small. I can close the oven door but I think it's sitting on top on the rack end, tilting the pan instead of flatly on the rack. Thanks for any advice that you can give me..
Maggie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 18:33
Maggie: Congrats!
In what way do you feel the manual is inadequate? Just turn the burners to the heat you need. It may take a bit of practise - it did for me beacuse the level of heat it puts out is greater than what I'm used to. Try cooking things you are familiar with and you will adjust in no time. Can you ask specific questions that we might help you better.
My electric oven is bang on. The gas oven is off somewhere in the vicinity of 25-50 degrees. I plan to adjust it as soon as I find someone to tell me how, although it looks like it is similar to the burner adjustments (Have you viewed the videos from the AC site?) Get a good oven thermometer. The ones from Vons are usesless. Go digital or a high end one like what someone on this thread posted a link to.
I find the oven an okay size, but agree that having a half pan have to situp on the back rack is annoying. I don't bake that much, so I just put a piece of drywall corner bead at the front to even it out. I think I may call AC and see if there is a more elegant way of doing this.
Tomorrow is St Patrick's day and my anniversary. We will be having people over for the traditional corned beef and cabbage, potatoes, irish whiskey and a black and white chocolate Guiness mousse.
--
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 8:17
Hi Maggie. Congrats on your Cluny! Our experience is like Joe's - the electric oven is accurate, but the gas oven is off by about the same amount and, like him, I'll adjust it when I get the time. Until then, I'm just adjusting the temperature up. As far as their size, the ovens are small, but I'm finding it a small trade-off for having two ovens (right under the range-top), which I use frequently.
I often use the gas oven as a warming oven while I'm cooking something else in the electric oven. So far, I've found that the ovens accommodate all of my baking and roasting pans (sometimes with not much room to spare!) I haven't baked cookies or a mass of biscuits yet (which is what I'd use the sheet pans for), but my plan is to use a smaller sheet pan and three racks in whichever oven I use. Enjoy your new range!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by fishlessman (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 10:46
i have seen so many posts about the oven temps being off with the gas. when turning the gas knob one way then the other you can feel a little play in the knob. with my ovens, i turn the knob past the desired settings and then slowly back down to where i want it set.this compensates for the play in the knob and linkage. they are within 10 degrees of were they should be and thats close enough. put a cast iron pan in there and give it a try, i dont think an empty oven is a good way to check temps, you need some heat mass in there. just remember that the oven temps go up and down when the burners go on and off. with regards to the oven racks, mine are a few years old and maybe there have been changes, but mine push back to a stop, and by pushing a little harder, they will go in a little farther. when using a half sheet, it does sit flat
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 13:17
maggie: I sent an email to Steve at AC asking about adjusting the gas oven and also the issue with the cookie sheet. The cookie sheet thing turns out to be the easiest - just push the oven rack farther back! There is a slight catch that keeps the rack where you and I have been using it, but just another push and that puppy goes all the way to the back allowing a nice, flat cookie sheet.
Here is the portion of the email concerning adjusting the oven, which sounds more complicated than it really is. BTW, if my oven was off by only 25 degrees I probably wouldn't even bother. Most ovens will heat to 20 degrees above the set temperature and then not come back on until 20 degrees below the set temperature, so there is a big built in range. The main idea though, is that the average temperature be what the oven is set to. Anyway, the instructions:
1) Place the oven thermometer on the oven rack in the center of the oven. (You won't need to do this if you have the new hand-held digital thermometer.)
2) Turn the oven control knob to the 350 degree setting.
3) Listen for the oven burner to stop heating. (If you put your ear near the bottom of the oven door you can hear the gas burning/flowing.) It will stop when the thermostat senses the oven has reached 350 degrees (about 10-12 minutes).
4) Open the door enough to see what temperature your thermometer shows.
5) To make an adjustment, turn the knob back to the "Off" position. (This is done so the shaft doesn't rotate as you are adjusting it.)
6) Carefully pull off the oven control knob. Place your screwdriver down the center shaft of the control knob and go all the way to the back. Find the slot by turning your screwdriver until it drops in the slotted screw.
7) Rotate the screw counter-clockwise approximately 10 degrees (on a 360 degree dial) for every 25 degrees of temperature change. This is pretty much a hit or miss adjustment since you're going by feel. I tell people it feels like you're moving it about 1/16 of an inch.
8) Put your knob back on and turn the oven back on to the 350 degree setting.
9) Listen for the gas to shut off and open the door to see where it turned off. Hopefully it was at 340-350 degrees. If a little less, repeat the steps above.
10) If it's over 350 degrees, you went too far and you'll need to find the screw and adjust it back clockwise until you hit close to 350 degrees.
If you'd like to take a look at a Technical Bulletin explaining this you can go to www.frenchranges.com/support where you will click on "After Sales Service" and enter the user name and password they sent you to access the Technical Suport Page. Look under "Third Party Manuals" and click on Harper Generation Six Oven System - Field Service Bulletin.
Hope that helps,
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 14:15
Thanks everyone for the venting advice. We are going to order a Modern Aire hood liner. PML 40X22 with a 600 or 1000 CFM motor and center it over the burners. It was the only manufacturer I checked out that actually recommended placing the liner 30-36 inches off the range top. We plan to put it at 36 inches so will probably get the bigger motor just to be safe. Since the only cabinetry over the range is what encloses the vent we will have plenty of room for the liner to be positioned how we need it. We allowed for several inches on each side of the range and can place the hood at any depth we need. We will be building the hood surround around the liner.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 11:41
Good morning folks,
now that i have been using my beautiful burgundy Cluny 1400 for about a month,i'm having a hard time getting good results from any cleaner or stainless steel polish to get a streak free stainless steel top. the stainless cover over the french top is rather rough in texture vs. the inside surround of the burners which is a smoother texture.even the vents in the back and spacer looks sort of streaky to me. nothing so far works well. i've even used microfiber cloths with just plain water and a dry towel, nope, didn't work. give me some of your results and what you use to get a streak free top. thank you in advance, marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 12:49
I'll be interested to hear how others clean theirs also (we will have ours delivered next month, ordered June '05, started drooling over Lacanche a few months before that). I don't like a dirty looking range. And I'm guessing I will "baby" the Lacanche for a while. I've been waiting so long for it (Cluny 1400 also). Are you enjoying cooking on/with it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 12:50
nicksgram51,
I don't have the FT, but we use 409 on our stainless cover with a regular old cotton terry cloth & it comes up streak free. We do use a lot of 409 on it if we've made a greasy mess.
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 20:16
Azdreamhome,
i love it! getting used to the different btu burners, but, i also need to adjust the simmer burner as well as the gas oven, 25 degrees lower than supposed to be. browning and searing is very quick. i love the warming cupboard, until yesterday i used it just for warming bread and rolls for dinner, but, i decided to try and slow cook all day with my Le Crueset, and a pot roast. it worked wonderful, (so did the LC)...
i like the electric oven for baking, i always had a gas oven, which to be honest, haven't noticed a big difference between the two as far as results. but, they are both fine for me. i made a couple of cakes and they came out beautiful. the next thing i want to try is homemade bread. i think i remember somewhere it was said, the electric is better for baking bread. correct me if i'm not right on that one. i just seasoned my french top for the first time yesterday as well,(smeared mineral oil all over it, and let it cook for a couple of hours.
i'm very happy with this range, i love the color, the ease of everything,(except the streaky stainless steel)but, i'm sure i'll get good advice here. i'll even try 409. marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by debbie814 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 21:13
Can someone please give me the depth of the Cluny. I can't seem to find the depth on the AC website, and it's too late to call them this evening. Thanks, Debbie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 18, 06 at 23:03
Debbie, check the Cluny specs posted on the "support" page (kind of hidden if you don't know where to look for it!)
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Support page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by debbie814 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 7:21
Thanks!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by mara1331 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 13:53
Thanks Joe, for all your help!
I bought a good oven thermometer and found that the electric oven is 25 degrees slow, and the gas oven is 75 degrees fast! That's quite a spread... I'll print out your directions and see if my partner can do the trick!
What's the deal with the drip pans and racks? Must we use those? Do they stay in the oven?
I didn't buy any of the optional grills etc. with the range, will any work with the range?
Thanks again,
Maggie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 13:58
Marilyn, I've been using just a sponge and some dish soap to get the big grease and then just a damp microfiber cloth to shine it up. I'm not sure why that's not working for you. When I first got it (and still occasionally) I'll use Stainless Steel Magic, which also seems to work fine. I've also had good luck using Barkeeper's Friend (gently) on the burner caps, which gets the brass looking like new (although I'm not sure how long I'll be this fastidious!). But for now, everything still looks like new!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by krobson (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 20:45
Hi,
I'm new to this, so forgive a possibly silly question. Is the Lacanche oven easy to clean? Does anyone miss having a self-cleaning oven? I am considering a Cluny for my new house, but am worried about the non-self cleaning aspect.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:06
wilsonb,
i could be a little over the top,since it's so new. i went 2 steps more than i probably will not continue to do. i got a hold of the brass gas burners, cleaned them with barkeepers' friend, that wasn't enough, i kept looking for more work, i then cleaned them with metal polish,(the kind you use for cleaning the metal on cars), then had to polish them with brasso. they shined like a new penny! this craziness won't last too long. marilyn:)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:27
OMG!!
It's
in
the
KITCHEN!!!!!
It really is! And it's still blue and beautiful! Totally not hooked up, but who cares?? it's even in it's "place" !!
Oh happy day!
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Congrats, Ivette clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 21:55
congratulations, Ivette,
it's so exciting to finally see it in your kitchen, like someone gives us a long awaited Christmas gift. wait until you actually see a burner light up!!! many happy cooking years!!! marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Sun, Mar 19, 06 at 22:47
Ivette, there you are!
Yes, that reassuring little red light is about to warm your heart every time you pass it. Ain't love grand!
This must mean you finished painting those Crowne Point cabinets! Can't wait to see your classic kitchen.
krobson - I think the oven is pretty easy to clean, but then I never bothered to use the self-cleaning feature on old ovens.
cleaning the brass burners - DH wants them to develop a patina of use, so we stopped going crazy with polishing last year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 6:33
Ivette - Congratulations! Do you have pictures posted somewhere? When will you be cooking??
Krobson - The self-clean feature on my old oven never cleaned it fully. I simply wipe down the inside of my Cluny ovens once in a while and they seem to keep clean. There used to be a lot of discussion on the forum generally about the pros and cons of self-cleaning ovens. Many people deliberately avoid self-cleaning ovens while others wouldn't live without them. I think those people with Lacanches have found that keeping their ovens clean isn't a problem. Good luck with your decision!
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 9:26
Ivette - Whoo-hoo! I hope champagne was involved. When are you getting hooked up. Don't forget that the electrical sometimes takes longer than the gas.
krobsen - I was never that impressed with the self-clean. I wasn't about to go through the ordeal of heat up / cool down for the greasy splatters of everyday use. I just wiped it down. I used it only once - when the range was headed out the door.
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by edleweiss (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 10:03
Hello,
I'm so glad I found this forum! My new house comes with a Lacanche, and it seemed so hard to find out anything about them until I found your group. It's really great to hear that you all like them so much. I've figures out that my range is a Cluny. We're doing some remodelling, and my husband wants some advice from those of you who have moved your CLunys around (ie, from garage to house, etc.) How much does this thing weigh, how many people are necessary, and/or what is the best technique for transporting it? Thanks a lot!
thank you.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 11:51
edleweiss: By the time you remove the drawers, doors and top stuff it gets down to about 250 pounds.(note that is also probably attached to the wall, to avoid tipping over, behind the bottom lefthand drawer) Two strong men could move it, but it is awkward because you can't lift by any of the handles. An appliance dolly would work also.
Good luck
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by bertie_d (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 13:55
Hi All...It has been awhile since I posted here. We are having our kitchen remodeled while we are in Indian Wells, CA for the winter. Pros are..I don't have to do any campstove cooking or dealing with the mess. cons are..it is driving me crazy not being able to peek at the blue Clooney!! We won't return to Oregon until May 15th or so..we will hopefully walk into a completed kitchen with everything new!!!( any bets on the completion date?)at least that is the plan and so far so good. I still love reading all of your good advice and sharing the excitement with you who now have your La Canches in operation. Congratulations. Bertie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 15:42
Ivette -- congrats on getting your Lacanche into your kitchen and in its rightful place. Can't wait to see photos and hear how it goes when you finally fire it up!
On another note, I spoke to someone this morning at AC. We were talking about shipping our range and I was apologizing that we've had ours purchased and stored up there in Woodinville for so long (since June 05). He said there have been others that have had theirs in storage longer. He mentioned an actor on TV (a well known evening drama....legal program) that has the exact same range as I do (Cluny 1400 matte black, classique, warming cupboard on the left, with brass). Is it in bad taste to mention his name here? I kind of feel it would infringe on his privacy. Nevertheless, I got a kick out of finding this out. It must say something shallow about me! ;-) That range will have a new home in Beverly Hills, of course.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Mon, Mar 20, 06 at 20:38
edelweiss,
Adding to Joe's point about not lifting the range by the handles b/c it voids the warranty. You should be able to contact Art Culinaire, if the appliance was purchased in the U.S., and have them send you more information about the range. Do you have their website?
Welcome back Bertie. So, it's about ten more weeks. Kewl.
azdreamhome,
I wouldn't advertise the name. It's cool, but then these threads are always popping up on google searches. I don't know if it's "shallow" or not, I just think it would be exciting to find out you have similar tastes with someone who's "well-known."
Take care,
-a
Here is a link that might be useful: Art Culinaire's website
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by edleweiss (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 12:17
Thanks for the information! What "top stuff" do you remove, exactly? I did find the AC website, and found it surprisingly poor. I have also called and emailed, but no response at all. Weird. It all seems very closed and user-unfriendly, especailly when you can download any information on any other appliance in just a matter of moments! This is why I'm glad you all love these ranges, because the way they seem to be marketed and sold made me rather nervous.
A manual, and the information I have read about on this thread for adjusting the burners would be nice. Can one get these online? Would someone who has downloaded these thing be willing to post them?
Thanks again! I'll be much happier when my questions actually involve food!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 12:52
Thanks everyone!!
Noooo, I haven't even started painting the cabinets yet. The range is just "in place, but not installed" yet. That is a little ways off. But I was just SO excited to get it out of the garage and in the place where it will eventually be plugged in and the little red light will come on.
I have lots of pics. Will try to upload soon.
Best,
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 15:53
edleweiss: top stuff - grates and french top, if you have one. Try calling AC and ask for Steve Wick. He is usually very helpful. Ask him if he can give you the logon and password for after sales service. If that doesn't work, email me directly and I'll email you the manual and other useful stuff.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by pirula (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 22:29
azdreamhome: I got SUCH a chuckle from your post! I probably would never have heard of whomever the TV guy is. Between not watching much TV in the first place, and spending the last two years in Cairo, well.....
BUT it got me thinking about one of the few shows I do watch, 24, and LOL, you just KNOW that Jack Bauer HAS to have a Lacanche!!!!
hee hee,
Ivette
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 22:43
azdreamhome, I am going to choose to imagine Richard Belzer....no, how about Ice T! with the Lacanche. I see Jack Bauer as more of a Bluestar man, myself ;)
Actaully, I'm not sure Jack even EATS, does he? He's a very busy man.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 23:01
Yep, glad I kept my mouth (fingers) shut. :-) This way we can all imagine whomever we wish living in Beverly Hills with a Lacanche!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 9:07
edelweiss - below is the link to the AC support page. Adjusting the burners in in the after sales support on a video you watch from their site. You have to get a password from AC for that one. Keep on trying. I almost went insane trying to get ahold of them when I wanted to purchase, but once you're on the radar, it's fine.
I adjusted my burners. Thread #30 (or was it #29?) has more details. Get in contact with AC first b/c a person who adjusted at the same time I did had a valve break. I had no problem adjusting the collars or the gas height. She ran into an issue. AC shipped her the replacement part.
-a
Here is a link that might be useful: support page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by jonnyandhayley (My Page) on Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 13:16
Hi hayley and i have had a Burgundy Cluny for 18 months now and it looks terrific however we have real trouble with the ovens(gas and conventional electric) as we seem to burn the bottom of everything. i have been used to a fan oven all my life so never had a problem like this , are the ovens just running to hot? in which case should we do the temperature tests that have been discussed?
many thanks for any help
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by bertie_d (My Page) on Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 19:00
A little on the light side...I spoke with Matt our GC in Oregon at length yesterday. I asked about the LaCanche..Yes, it arrived and yes, they uncrated it to make sure everything was okay. "So, I said (with a tremor in my voice) how does it look?" He said "it is beautiful...I keep wanting to drive it!!" from him that is the ultimate compliment..wish I could see it.. Bertie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by hsheffield (My Page) on Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 20:24
hey there:
have thought I was going to buy a wolf df but went by the showroom today and it looks so clunky...
my kd is excited about lacanche and I was hoping this crowd could answer some questions:
1. am I correct to assume that the drawer looking things on the bottom are storage drawers?
2. how do the griddle and grill work? I understand they are placed over burners but was wondering about performance compared w/ 'built in' grills or griddles (like the wolf)
3. I see the pics of the cluny w/ the big turkey.....the measurements are SO small. could you guys really get a 26# turkey in there?
4. service? who?
5. can you specify a configuration and have it delivered? how long does it take from order to delivery? or do you have to choose from the the ac 'reserve' page?
thanks for your help!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 21:51
johnny, I would definitely check your oven temps and then call customer service to discuss. They will be able to shed some light into your burgundy baby.
hsheffield, I'll give it a shot:
1. yes, the drawers on the bottom are storage drawers on most common models.
2. Performance of griddle and grill?
We have several wonderful Wolfs in the family, but I have not tried their grill or griddles, nor do my relatives use them much. We have a Cluny and use the grill plate frequently with fabulous results. The griddle we also use and love. The only downside is that it is somewhat heavy to move around.
3. Turkey sizing: There are many owners here that do a large turkey, with very little room to spare. The French claim this is good because a close fit creates a moist humid cooking environment. We love to roast meats in the gas oven, but don't do turkeys too often.
4. service? who?
AC will give you a list of authorized service dealres, but the range is low tech and easily repairable. No digital controls like the beautiful Wolf.
5. can you specify a configuration and have it delivered? Yes. how long does it take from order to delivery? contact AC for current timing from France. or do you have to choose from the the ac 'reserve' page? No, but it is a convenient option and they can ship those immediately.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Thu, Mar 23, 06 at 0:17
jonnyandhayley -- I would LOVE to see a photo of your burgundy red Cluny! Is this possible?
On another note, out of curiousity, how would you classify the "look" of a Lacanche? Is it modern? Is it vintage? Something else? I've always fancied it as something that fits in great with traditional, old world looking kitchens. But I had someone on the homedecorating forum say she thought it looks modern. Just thought I'd get your opinions here. Here's the link (with updated photos of our Lacanche kitchen still being finished)....
Here is a link that might be useful: Finishing Kitchen, need your help...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Thu, Mar 23, 06 at 15:40
azdreamhome: I would classify the lacanche as "timeless"
hsheffield:
re:
3. I see the pics of the cluny w/ the big turkey.....the measurements are SO small. could you guys really get a 26# turkey in there?
The oven size was the one concern we had before ordering our cluny. Now that we have it, our concern was no issue at all. We have had our stove for 5 weeks now and have cooked for eight people a few times. The ovens worked just fine. If you consider that you put food in front to back, rather than sideways it doesn't seem bad at all. A brief caveat: we don't make cookies often, so the half sheet pan size is more than adequate for us. As well, we would never be making a 26# turkey, but maybe two 13#er's (aren't big birds tough?) My large all-clad roasting pan fits in the oven just dandy. To the best of my memory, nothing that would normaly go in an oven is as large as a large turkey.
Just by way of interest, we were watching some show on FoodTV last night, and my wife and I both cracked up when the chef placed a tray into what seemed like a cavernous oven.
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Fri, Mar 24, 06 at 1:31
azdream:
Your kitchen and home are in the final stages, ready for the Lacanche at last! What a dreamy, roomy space you've created in the desert. You must be elated to be so close to enjoying it, up close and personal!
I would not call the Range modern, but a French classic range that blends sucessfully with almost style I have seen it paired with, including contemporary.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sat, Mar 25, 06 at 17:36
joebolt -- yes, that's it.... "timeless." Or "classic" as annaleef says. That's how I would classify a Lacanche!
Thanks for the kind words annaleef! BTW, in the April 2006 issue of House Beautiful (in the Kitchen of the Month article), they have a stainless Cluny photograph (you can only see about 1/4 of it in the photo). But they also have a full photograph of a black Cluny and note that it is sold by AC. In the article itself, the woman that has the Cluny loves it.... of course. Sadly, they do not mention that it is duel-fuel. It's worth checking out at the newstands even if you do not buy the actual issue.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by kitchengirl (My Page) on Sun, Mar 26, 06 at 2:46
Ivette,
Belated congrats on taking delivery and finally getting your range into the kitchen!
Hello to Bertie and AnnaLeef!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Sun, Mar 26, 06 at 10:35
Back home from Spring Break and "WOW!!" all the activity here!
Congrats to all the new or soon to be owners!!
Ivette...Yahoo!!!! When do I get to come over??!!
hsheffield...re: #3...have you checked out the Sully? The ovens are bigger than the Cluny ovens. I have a Sully+2 and I have never come close to having any kind of problems with oven size. (I previously had double 30" convection ovens...thought I'd miss them, but don't.) In fact, I'm certain I could have easily been satisfied with the Cluny ovens, too. I hardly ever need the full size my ovens.
...re: #5...I think AC used to quote 8-12 weeks on a custom range, but current demand may affect that timeframe. Remember, the factory shuts down for the month of August and there is little to no activity then. What's your timing?
AZ...modern? That's funny! I can't see that at all!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 26, 06 at 13:00
Well, not being a decorator, I could be blowing smoke outta my fingertips. The Yellow fits very nicely into a "modern" kitchen. While we're not "industrial-modern", we're clean-lined, color-saturated "modern". We've focused on interesting materials and angular lines. The "traditional" look of the Lacanche just doesn't pop out & say "Boo!". It's color in the space. It's scale is perfect. It's vertical and horizontal lines are clean. It's a great transitional piece. It's the same sort of thing as the cabinets. While the cabinets are "shaker-style", you don't get the sense of Shaker "look". There's no "farm-house" about the space. One thing I noticed is that those lines add height to our 90" high walls. It fools the eye, giving the space a sense of more vertical space than there actually is. It's a great city kitchen.
Anyways, the pictures stink. But our KD's already staged & shot the space, so I should have better ones coming pretty soon. I'll post in the gallery then.
Range Wall
Appliances / work center / frig wall / entrance to laundry
From the laundry
Oh! Oh! on another front - we finally made a cookware decision. Our previous pans - ProHG just couldn't stand up to the heat off the burners. The finish started breaking down. We went with Demeyere which has rivetless construction. I'm sooo tired of banging around those rivets. What we noticed right off the bat, while we were cleaning & curing the pieces, is that this stuff holds its heat. Holy mother! I even melted / damaged my sink grill & that was after the pans had "cooled". I also chose to go with a sauteuse pan instead of a 3 qt pot. One of the things I like about the Demeyere is that it's "double boiler" are simply wide-lipped smooth bowls which fit over their pot lips. No special pot required! The handles are also very comfortable. They don't pinch like others we tested out. Most importantly, no finish nothing which breaks down under the heat.
Demeyere cookware - Atlantis series
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on Sun, Mar 26, 06 at 18:06
Andrea:
Your kitchen is exquisite. I can't wait to see the pics from the KD. What colors did you choose for the walls and backsplash over the countertops? We're looking for similar colors to bring out the green in our Cluny. The new color is more olive and less green then it had appeared on the website. We like the color but it's been harder to find a color that won't tends towards a camoflauge (sp?) look.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by downtowner (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 1:31
One of the great things about contemporary design is that well-designed "traditional" pieces fit right in.
We are all stainless appliances and stainless and beech IKEA cabinets. The stainless LaCanche fits right in.
I've had my LaCanche for a couple of years, but never posted a picture.
Here is a link that might be useful: Photo gallery of LaCanche&IKEA open plan kitchen
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 6:28
downtowner - Please make your photos public so that we can see your pictures! I can't wait to see your combination! Thanks!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by hsheffield (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 6:33
been out of town but wanted to thank everyone for their responses. great crowd here, obviously excited about their ranges!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by lpolk (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 10:39
Sorry, another newbie question.
I have spent the weekend reading lacanche 31, 30, 29, 28, 27 and I think 26... :) You guys should definitely get a commission, I am again mesmorized, like I was a year ago when y'all first introduced me to Lacanche. My long strange year of addition remodeling has gone from Lacanche, to Viking, to GE, and now hopefully back to lacanche. I want to stop the ride and get off!
My question:
I want the black cluny. I would love the 1400 but with a family of 2 can't justify it. The extra ~$4000 is too much. :( I just cannot decide between FT and classique. Most of you seem to get the classique. but those with a FT love it. I think the FT seems more useful, in that you can still use the center burner to boil water (which will be my main use of it) and sear/wok with the burner exposed, correct? But with the FT, you can also simmer and hold dishes, which is appealing because I entertain.
Aesthetically I can see how all-burners look better especially after the discoloration of the French Top (special thanks to all who post honestly used lacanche photos, very helpful to see what it will "really" look like, I cook!!)
I know the classique comes with a simmer plate, but I can't see if I'm entertaining how I could sacrifice two regular burners for it. It's hard to predict how I'd use it. Any advice?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 11:30
lpolk---I’ll take a stab here…I love my FT, but I have an advantage in that I have a very large range with a lot of burners. I have both the larger open 18K burner and the FT, as well as 6 other burners of the smaller sizes.
I like to make a lot of soups and cook with a wok, which is perfect with the 18K open burner. We also entertain a lot. I often find I have numerous pots going at once. The FT is useful for me because I can scoot the pots around on the FT as I need to change the intensity of the heat each pot gets. Once I adjusted to using the FT, I found that I like it better for multiple pots because usually I’m in a hurry. I find it easier to slide and scoot a pot here or there than I do to raise or lower a flame at an individual burner. I don’t have to bend down and look at the height of the flame. I can pretty much tell by what the contents of the pot are doing as to where I need to place it on the FT.
If I need a pot to boil, I place the flame on the FT at mid-to-hi, put the pot I need to boil in the middle, then the other pots around the edge. If I don’t need to boil, I usually put the flame low-to-med and go from there.
Scooting pots around on the FT allows me to give all (or most!) of my attention to a pot/pan that may require more focus. I find I burn or scorch a lot less when I use the FT!
I will say…I think it’s personal preference and what you get used to and how you are able to make it work for you. I’ve got the hang of it for my style of cooking, so I love it. I know there are some who don’t like the FT.
It does take time to get the FT up to temp. It doesn’t change temps quickly. Some say it throws a lot of heat into the room. My kitchen is large, so I don’t feel this issue.
Having said all this, if I had to sacrifice burners to get the FT, I would not do that. I seem to use mine a lot, but it’s mostly when entertaining or when I just happen to be making a lot of different dishes for one meal. If it cost me burners, I would get the regular burners and the simmer plate accessory and figure out how to get that to work for me.
I hope that helped some!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 17:48
lpolk: I have a cluny with a FT. I don't have the advantages momto4kids has with all those other burners. I love it! I ditto all the comments from momto4kids. It works exactly as I thought. It is also easy to remove the center cover to access the high burner for the wok or just to use.
Joe
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by bake_sale (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 18:01
lpolk: I can't comment from use - my cluny with the FT sits in my dining room - but I think the simmer plate might not be as portable as advertized. I have the grill and griddle and both are very heavy. So heavy in fact that I doubt I'll use them unless I decided to keep one permanently installed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by downtowner (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 19:00
Sorry.
Gallery is now unlocked.
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche in minimalist IKEA environment
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 19:23
downtowner -- your contempory kitchen is great! The Lacanche looks so fab sitting there. Have you enjoyed cooking on it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 23:12
oh, great city loft - Love that space, downtowner! The Lacanche does fit right in. Looks like you have a French top, unless my eyes deceive me. If so, how do you like using it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 0:22
downtowner - Great space; great kitchen. The Lacanche looks like it was born to be there too. Thanks for sharing!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by lpolk (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 9:55
downtowner, well done, GORGEOUS! I love your entire space. You're making me get all green-acres on my husband again. I'm in a 112 yr old house in the burbs, dreaming of a city loft... :)
Thanks for the FT feedback. The rep at Art Culinaire recommended Classique actually for flexibility, but I also wonder about lugging the thing out. So hard to say how/if you'd use something you've never used!
However, he also said that you really need the simmer plate (portable or FT) to get a low simmer on the small burner, is that your experience? I have to decide in two days! Must order this week... Thanks for the input.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by velodoug (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 11:11
I've adjusted the low setting flame height on our small burner to the absolute minimum, and it's fine for 90% of the low simmering we do. For the remaining 10%, I position an 11" round cast iron griddle off center over the burner and put the sauce pan off center on the griddle. With that configuration I can get the simmer low enough to stop the bubbling altogether.
We used the portable simmer plate several times but found it too much bother to remove the regular grate and replace it with the simmer plate. The other issue is that our simmer plate does not have little rubber feet like the griddle and grill plates so it scratches the SS top. The scratches are not visible with the regular grate in place but DW is still unhappy about them.
Just for fun, I weighed the three plates using the standing on a scale holding the plates method. The numbers could be off by as much as a pound: Griddle Plate = 20.5 lbs. Grill Plate = 18.5 lbs. Simmer Plate = 13.5 lbs.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 12:00
Hi guys, I haven't yet adjusted the flames on our Cluny (I know, Doug, my husband even handed me the screwdriver last weekend, saying "Isn't this the one you need?" - I think after Julie's experience with the knob I'm just a bit timid. Anyway...)
My husband loves the kitchen, loves the Cluny, every decision I've made, but he keeps bothering me about the simmering. (I haven't really made anything that's demanded a long simmer yet. For a short simmer, I've just been treating the grates a bit like a FT and just moving the pans off the flame a bit. Anyway, would one of these things work? I've never used one before.
Here is a link that might be useful: heat diffusers
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by lpolk (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 13:24
Hey you guys, I am having a weird time in MA. I started a new thread because my problem is specific to Massachusetts, but it looks like I cannot install this appliance here. If you have any comments please check out that thread, I am really disappointed!
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche in Massachusetts?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 15:54
I have adjusted my small burner to low also, and as velodoug says it's fine for about 90%. I own what's called a "flame tamer" that sounds similar to the cast iron griddle he uses. Simply a small (8" diameter) cast iron plate that just distributes the heat.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by emillerpdx (My Page) on Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 19:03
Today we ordered a Cluny with the simmer plate, just under the wire before the price increases on 4/1. We wanted the Cluny 1400 but couldn't justify the extra 4K, someone else said the same thing earlier on this thread.
Should arrive sometime towards the end of June. Any other Portland (Oregon) Lacanche people out there, give a shout, interested to hear what your experience is with the range too, and any recommended kitchen remodelers who did a good job 'wrapping' the kitchen around the range.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by downtowner (My Page) on Thu, Mar 30, 06 at 1:48
Thanks for the kind words for our kitchen.
We love cooking on the Lacanche, but we love cooking. In this part of the world, as my neighbor says, there are a lot of gourmet kitchens, but not a lot of gourmet meals. I shouldn't says this on the applicance forum, but I don't think that the brand of appliance is an important factor in the quality of the cooking. We combine the Lacanche with a lot of auxiliaries, Advantium, induction rice cooker, built-in gas grill, electric kettle, super-automatic coffee maker, electric waffle iron and even an electric griddle, which my wife prefers for making pancakes. The thing I like about the Lacanche as time goes by is its flexibility and variety. DW loves the French top, but is not fond of the ovens --which I don't use much, but I've just learned need adjusting. But most importantly it is the look of the thing that makes us smile. Cooking is the time of day that we combine sharing with the family and creativity. Somehow, for us, the "pro look" just doesn't capture that ambiance.
As for the space, it is not a loft actually. It is the first floor of our townhouse (c. 1820), so it is narrower than a loft, but doesn't have bathrooms or bedrooms. Today we had the quintessential suburban experience of pouring a replacement slab to turn the basement into what used to be called a rec room. I suppose the RE ads would call it a "media room" or an "entertainment center," but it's just a rec room with a wet bar
.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Thu, Mar 30, 06 at 16:51
Hi all! Ok....Here goes....Have been hanging out here long enough.....Am taking the ferry over to Seattle Saturday to 'kick the tires' on the Sully at Art Culinaire. Am completely in love with the French Top, and so very glad to finally see some feedback on it! We spend the summers canning (jams, relish, etc. etc.) and the winters making soups, sauces, feeding neighbors, etc. etc....and I am so tired of trying to balance everything on a 4-burner! Until finding the Lacanche, had myself pushed into purchasing a Wolf just for the FT! So glad I'm here now....whew...Anyhow....
Is there anything that you all would suggest that we pay particular attention to when checking these out in person?? Any surprises that we may discover by actually touching and feeling them?? Not sure if AC has ranges that are actually hooked up to turn on and play with, or if we will be simply viewing the ranges listed on their Reserve page. I am completely sold on the Sully, but DH may need a push!
Oh, just a little background (or look-to-the-future)...getting ready to build our 'forever' home, currently have trees and dirt, but AC stated that they will store it until we are ready for it.
Thanks for all of your informed and positive input!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Thu, Mar 30, 06 at 21:39
emillerpdx -- CONGRATS on your Lacanche purchase! And I hope to hear how you like it once you receive it (with photos of course).
downtowner -- thanks for the feedback on your Lacanche. Sounds as if you and the wife are serious cooks and have lots of great experience!
honeysmomcooks -- great user name! I wish I could tell you about visiting AC but we purchased our range (Cluny 1400) sight unseen! I know a few others have actually been into AC to check them out in person (I would have if I could). Debto4Kids has a Sully+2 (plus a FT) so I'm sure she can give you the run-down on a Sully. Do you have an appt on Sat or are you just dropping in? If you can, make sure you get a chance to speak to Stan (or Tom). Good luck and please let us know how it goes, k?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Thu, Mar 30, 06 at 21:54
honeysmomcooks, I don't think Art Culinaire have any "live" ranges, but it still helps just to be able to see something before you buy, doesn't it? Plus you can pick up some color sample chips while you are there, if you are still undecided on colors.
You might want to bring a few pans to see how they fit in the ovens, although not such an issue with the Sully as with the Cluny.
Enjoy your visit!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Mar 31, 06 at 8:58
Congrats again to the newbies!
downtowner....beautiful!!!!!
honeysmomcooks...I have the Sully ovens with two warming cupboards. Like many of the others, we purchased sight-unseen, without testing anyone's range! You're lucky to be near enough to go to AC!! I have an FT and absolutely love it. With your canning and soups, you'll love having it, too! (Dare I bring this OT question up?! Since you're still designing/planning, are you adding the pot filler? I don't can, but do a lot of soups, etc...very convenient to have the water source right there.)
Quite a few of us have either had our order in queue for a very long time, or have had AC store our ranges while we get ready for them. You won't be disappointed!!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Fri, Mar 31, 06 at 11:11
Thanks for all of the positive support!
azdreamhome - Here's the scoop on visiting AC in person....Evidently they are generally a Mon-Fri 9-5 business, but there is a winery wing-ding in Woodinville this weekend so they are planning on being there this Sat.(yay!). We were told that since we have made prior arrangements and they know to look for us, then Sat. is fine. Spoke with Christie (answers the phones?) and Ryan, but will look for Stan & Tom. I do need to add that we were told that the prices will be going up on 4/1. Thus, my motivation to go this weekend and possibly/hopefully get this ordered.
momto4kids - Don't know about living 'near' AC....trip involves an hour on the ferry over to Seattle, driving from there, definitely getting lost in the 'big city', and a return trip....but it should be a fun day, kids and all!! As to house - scratch that - kitchen design, I feel like the people in that TV commercial that ask the designer to design their house around a kitchen faucet! ha! But really...we spend most of our family time in our kitchen and I feel that this would be a great piece to build memories around (both of my kids even made their own 'secret recipe' applesauces last summer!) Not sure about the pot filler, had not even occurred to me! hhhmmm... another thing to think about!
Will try to drop a line on Sunday with what we see/find out at AC! Sincere thanks again to all of you who contribute your wisdom and knowledge to this wonderful discussion.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Mar 31, 06 at 12:43
Good luck! Do take your favorite pan/cookie sheet with you if you have room. It'll make you feel better about any questions you may have regarding oven/burner sizes...not that it'll be an issue at all...it's just that they aren't 30" wall ovens you see a lot today and that is sometimes shocking to people until they realize they probably don't use up all that space anyway! I would love to visit AC's winery, too! Lucky you! Be sure to report back!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by margeaux (My Page) on Sun, Apr 2, 06 at 16:40
Hello to all of you present and future lacanche owners! I wonder if you can help me with the cluny vs. sully dilemna. I love them both but in spite of everyone saying the cluny ovens are big enough I can't seem to feel comfortable with the small size. The sully addresses that but I am having trouble getting used to the idea of putting a 55"+ range in my 12x18' kitchen. I also am trying to come to terms with spending around $13k on a stove. It seems so excessive to me. If anyone out there went through the same process I would love to hear your thoughts. thanks.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by downtowner (My Page) on Sun, Apr 2, 06 at 17:25
FWIW, I've gotten around to posting my IKEA/Lacanche kitchen in the Gallery. Brand new pics since last week!
Here is a link that might be useful: IKEA/Lacanche Townhouse/Loft hybrid kitchen for entertaining multitudes of imaginary guests
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Mon, Apr 3, 06 at 11:18
Good morning all! - Here is two cents on the Sully vs. Cluny discussion after visiting AC this weekend and getting to stick my head in both of these ovens. I walked in pretty much pre-decided on the Sully due to the oven sizes, but now am up-in-the-air between this and the Cluny 1400....same widths, same cooktop configurations available (love-love-love that french top!), just different on the bottom halves. It appears to me that unless you roast large turkeys on a daily basis (no, not just hubby!), that the Cluny ovens would be fine for most. Yes, they are 5" narrower, but the depth and height are the same. Being more of a cookie/cake baker than a big-time roaster, I think that it would be fine for my style cooking. AC had the Cluny 1400 displayed with what looked like an 11 x 15 roasting pan sitting in one oven. I think that you would simply need to adjust to placing your pans in front-to-back rather than sideways, as another poster mentioned.
As to price justification, well....here's how it was decided in our house....ALOT of our family time and memories are made and spent in the kitchen. It's not granite counters that our memories are created around, or beautiful flooring, but our stove and the meals/goodies prepared there. I'm not saying that I don't WANT these other things, but that in our home-building priority will be given to budgeting for the range first and then the other items may be added as funds allow. Again, just my two cents....!
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Mon, Apr 3, 06 at 16:18
margeaux: I have the cluny. The oven sizes were my only real concern as well. They are plenty big enough for most everything, unless, as honeysmomcooks mentions, you want to do large turkeys on a regular basis.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Mon, Apr 3, 06 at 16:20
margeaux...I responded to your other thread...I have the Sully ovens.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by margeaux (My Page) on Mon, Apr 3, 06 at 18:56
Thanks for your responses and apologies for "double posting" (didn't realize the other post went through).
I am going with the cluny. I only wish I had consulted with fellow lacanche enthusiasts sooner on this topic! I am at peace with this thing now and I am sure I am going to love cooking with my new work of art.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Mon, Apr 3, 06 at 21:20
margeaux - Congrats on your decision! Now we all want to know what color!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Tue, Apr 4, 06 at 6:34
margeaux - Congratulations! Yes, we need specifics now!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, Apr 4, 06 at 11:00
Congrats Margeaux! Yes, color please ....and delivery date?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by margeaux (My Page) on Tue, Apr 4, 06 at 19:51
Well, since you all have asked...! I am doing the matte black with the classique top. Yes, very safe but it goes with my choice of cream cabinets and calcutta gold marble countertops (we'll throw in a little bit of stainless steel and cherry countertops also). We are doing very dark oak floors and plan to put in a gas fireplace as well. We live in a very traditional New England colonial so I am trying to stay true to the sprit of the house.
I have enjoyed looking at all of the lacanche kitchens on the picture gallery and certainly have received inspiration from so many of you!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by histokitch (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 17:44
Hi, everyone. I'm trying to make a final range choice so that I can decide what I'm doing in the rest of my kitchen. I have a quirky 1895 Tudor house and am trying to put in a very simple kitchen that blends. Right now my kitchen is full of sleek cabinets and stainless appliances installed by the previous owner. After a lot of research, I have narrowed my range search down to Lacanche and Aga 6-4 (their duel fuel one, not the hot beast). Blue Star is too unfinished for me as far as the quality of their metal work, but I like the sound of the power. For me, though, beauty before brawn. Things I like about Lacanche: the choice of having a gas oven, the option of a french top. Things I'm not sure about: the broiler seems a bit weak, and the whole look is perhaps a bit dainty for my house. What I like about the Aga is the high burners 20,500btu(I have a commercial stove in my house now) and the strong broiler, and the price. I don't like quite how tiny the ovens are, and the fact that the ovens are only electric, and also that it's essentially a brand new, untested product.
My latest thought, if you're still reading, is to get a Volnay with a french top and a gas oven, and then get an electric wall oven with a strong broiler. I never read about people with the Volnay/Vougeot (sp?), so I'm not sure if they're less practical than the popular Sully/Cluny models, or what. I know which way most of you will fall on the Aga/Lacanche issue, and I guess I'll have to figure that out on my own, but I'm interested in those who combine the Lacanche with a wall oven.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by nicksgram51 (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 18:25
Hi all,
need to ask you all a question. do you have a problem with a strong gas smell from your oven when it's on? i smell it in my house and when i open the oven door. more so when i don't turn on the ventahood. i'm really concerned. it shouldn't have such a strong gas odor. anyone else? thanks, marilyn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 18:51
margeaux --- your kitchen selections sound great. I look forward to seeing how it all comes together (with photos)!
histokitch -- welcome to the Lacanche forum. I also considered a Volnay/Veogeot (plus wall oven) combo for quite a while. But we ended up with a Cluny 1400 since I really wanted the range to be a focal point in our kitchen (substantial part of one end of the kitchen in alcove). I hope I don't regret giving up a separate oven (we won't install our Lacanche until later this month). Plus all of our appliances with the exception of an undercounter microwave are done with an overlay and having an extra wall oven would defeat what we were going for. I do think the Volnay plus oven is definitely a great option to consider but it seems like you do see a lot more Cluny (or Sully) purchases. I think they have a couple of Volnays on the AC Reserve page now. Good luck with your decision!
Here is a link that might be useful: AC Reserve page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 20:32
marilyn -
gas odor? Not me, that's for sure. I'd start with AC and the people who installed your range. I'd also suggest against using the range until you get it and the installation checked out.
There's also the list of supporting appliance places on the support page - don't forget about them.
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by joeboldt (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 20:34
nicksgram51: You should NOT have a gas smell period. Something sounds disconnected. I'd contact AC and get some advice from them.
histokitch: re: "the whole look is perhaps a bit dainty for my house." I know the pictures of them may look a tad dainty, but be assured, I could put this baby in my garage next to my tablesaw and it would win the tough look award! We too thought about getting a volnay and a wall oven but ultimately decided the cluny ovens were just fine - and they have proven to be so.Thinking about it, we don't use our broiler very often, usually just to brown up the top of something like lasagna and it works fine for that. What do you use your broiler for?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by histokitch (My Page) on Thu, Apr 6, 06 at 21:01
Thanks, Joe. It's not that I'm a broiler queen, it's just that I have a salamander now, so that's my reference. Typical stuff--yummy crusty cheese, creme brulee, steaks. Our Vulcan is 60", so we have a lot of space. I just thought it might be nice to reclaim a little counter because my workspace is disproportionally small. I actually do a lot of prep on my 24" griddle. I actually like my range, but it is 30 years old and no one here will service it. The commercial guys don't come to the house, and the residential guys won't touch it. It has 3 standing pilots, so it wastes a lot of gas, and it is hot all the time. I can't even use the oven because the door is not insulated and my kids are little. I have considered keeping it, but I don't think it's practical. Maybe because I'm attached to it, I think that's why the Lacanche looks so prim. I feel like I'm having a therapy session! I'll work through it. The Aga might be a bit gimmicky, and at least the Lacanche is the real deal.
ps, azdreamhome, if you're ever looking for live in help, let me know. I'd be happy to live in your kitchen. I'd be quiet. ;)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 8:47
Hi histokitch!
Welcome! Your Vulcan and Salamander do sound like they were great appliances!
I'm not a broiler queen either, but I don't seem to really have any issues with it's abilities. Maybe if I were an avid "broiler-er," I'd feel differently, but, fwiw, I think it suits my needs.
I have to agree with Joe! Maybe it looks dainty in pix, but it certainly is not! Here's mine in the kitchen. There are a number of us who have the FTs and use the regularly and love them. I also have a ss work surface on part of mine. It sounds like you'd like that. And the warming cupboards are wonderful. The configuration allows you a lot of flexibility.
Good luck deciding and jump in with questions!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 10:11
momto4kids - I have a question for you about your range configuration....In your pictures it looks like you have your FT in the center of your range, and the hob/wok ring set up on the end. Do you run into problems with not being able to center pots on the burners adjacent to the FT because of the elevated edge on it?? Thanks for sharing!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 14:44
honeysmomcooks...No, no such problems at all. The grates and width of each hob section are rather generous. Do you have a specific pot you're concerned about? Let me know and I'll see if I've got a similar sized pot and double check it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 15:37
momto4kids - Thanks for the offer!! Several BIG stock pots would be my concern. As I am thinking about it, I bet that my big canning pot (the big blue/black speckly kind) would probably be best positioned on the end on the traditional hob, with our other pots on the other burners & french top. When canning we have at least one, but usually two, other big stock pots on along with the canner. Wintertime is a bit easier - no canning, but lots and lots of soups, hearty stews, and friends!
On another note....I printed out a pic of your kitchen from the Finished Kitchens blog (flattery-flattery-flattery! ha!) to show to our builder and home designer as it is the only example that I could find of a kitchen with NO upper cabinets flanking the range! When I told these two MEN that I wanted no uppers they looked at me like I was crazy! They really don't "get" it! Thanks for posting your pics!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 15:53
Honey-
Re: no uppers...I know! I got the same thing. The guys thought I was nuts and had secretly placed bets that I'd change my mind before they were done. They were wrong!!
I have a blue/black speckled pot. Let me get it out with another stock pot. I'll report back, but probably not until tomorrow.
Thank you for the kinds words!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 16:01
Honey-
Re: no uppers...I know! I got the same thing. The guys thought I was nuts and had secretly placed bets that I'd change my mind before they were done. They were wrong!!
I have a blue/black speckled pot. Let me get it out with another stock pot. I'll report back, but probably not until tomorrow.
Thank you for the kinds words!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wrenf (My Page) on Sat, Apr 8, 06 at 13:59
Hello, could someone please do me a favor and e-mail me the sign-in name and password for the AC technical support page please. I had it stored in my computer but it crashed and we were not able to recover it. I am going to attempt to adjust one of my burners which is way too high. Wish me luck. Also has this happended to anyone? The piece that fits on the bottom of my gas oven is all bent and warped. I need to see if they will send me a new one. I don't know how it happened. Thanks, Judith
www.wrenf@aol.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Sun, Apr 9, 06 at 19:34
Honey...my blue/black speckled pot doesn't come close to the FT. Why don't you measure your biggest pot and let me check that measurement?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by honeysmomcooks (My Page) on Tue, Apr 11, 06 at 20:29
momto4kids - Thank you thank you!! If it can handle my big canning pot (packed up til June, but holds roughly 10'ish jars, I think) and not be pushing my other stock pots off of the stove then I'm a TOTALLY happy gal! Should really have brought my pots with when we went to AC to check them out, but...it was Saturday, they were hosting a winery thing....and we didn't want to look like the Klampits (sp?) just dropped by and crashed their shindig!
Will drop a line when we finally get some dirt moving and order this wonder-range! Thanks again....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by am235 (My Page) on Fri, Apr 14, 06 at 1:14
old kitchen is no more. There is a big space with tape on the floor marking where my new cluny will reside when it gets here in June. It will be the last thing to the party. The electrician is done til the cabinets get here the 20th. The plumber comes tomorrow. Then drywall. We chose our granite slabs this week and set a template date for after cabinet installation. We fell in love with the Verde Esmeralda. It has wonderful movement and the dark color we were looking for. It will go well with the travertine floors and backsplash and the mahogany ceiling. Cabinets are going to be white. Also ordered the light fixtures for over the island and nook table (Iroko butcherblock on both) Can't wait for the Cluny to arrive because that will be the finish. We got the matte black with brass. The inspiration was the kitchen from the movie "Something's gotta give" with compromises to warm it up for my DH who works with and loves wood. There will be lots of warm wood touches in the doors and 17' window. and of course the ceiling we spent hours staining and are still finishing so it will be ready to go up after the cabinets go in.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by colohome (My Page) on Sun, Apr 16, 06 at 9:26
histokitch, I opted for the Volnay with a gas oven and a separate 27" electric convection wall oven. I really wanted the warming cupboard, this is what drove my decision. I have been in the new house for 4 months now, and I can tell you I am very very happy with this decision. It is the best of both worlds for me. I love my burgundy LaCanche with the french top, its looks and function are absolutely awesome. I am definitely still learning how to use this beauty but I assure you it is great fun! I really like the flexibility of a gas oven under the range, and a separate electric convection oven with a broiler. I am also thrilled with the warming cupboard. I use this frequently, even though I only cook for 2 on a daily basis. For me, this configuration saved money, provided everything I wanted, and allowed me to configure my work space in a very functional way.
I also looked at the AGA, but once I saw a picture of a LaCanche I knew this was the one for me. Like many others I bought it sight unseen, relying on what I had read here. (at the time, I read every archived posting on LaCanche - took a week, but it sold me!) My contact with AC was nothing but positive from the first day. I chose burgundy from the samples AC sent. I could not be happier. Good luck on your decision!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Apr 16, 06 at 19:05
am235 -- your kitchen sounds dreamy! I can't wait to see how it all comes together. Our Spekva Iroko butcherblock countertop gets installed on Tuesday...can't wait to see it.
colohome -- do you have any photos of your burgundy Volnay? I'd love to see it along with your kitchen. I still drool when I see the burgundy red Lacanches!
Our update: I left a message on Friday for Steve at AC....begging for him to hold our black Cluny 1400 for another week. Can you believe it? This was after I received the email notifying customers that storage charges are going up to $100/month. We were supposed to go for our final inspection late last week but our paver driveway is holding that up (starting install tomorrow). We do not want to install our kitchen appliances until after we pass inspection and closer to when we move in (security reasons mostly and I want our gas/electric turned on for installation). Our gas co. is notorious for taking a while after you get your certificate of occupancy.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Fri, Apr 21, 06 at 9:08
azdreamhome -
How is your driveway going? Did it get finished?
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by histokitch (My Page) on Fri, Apr 21, 06 at 9:29
Thanks, colohome. You completely answered my question. If I go this route, I will copy you with the burgundy as well. Just curious, which wall oven did you choose? That might be my next area of research.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Sat, Apr 22, 06 at 12:52
andrea345 -- yes they finished the driveway and main walkway yesterday. We had our final inspection yesterday but have to fix a few small things and should pass (and get our certificate of occupancy) on Tuesday. Yeah! Also on Tuesday our black Cluny 1400 should be leaving Washington state and arriving in AZ either Friday or the following Monday. We will have power by then but I'm not sure about gas being available by then. We will move into the house about May 10th. Can't wait to see that Lacanche and fire it up!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sat, Apr 22, 06 at 15:20
Well, I still have another month until my range arrives, but I did receive my Modern-Aire hood yesterday! Modern-aire can color match to any of the RAL colors, so (hopefully!) this will be a perfect match for my RAL9001 (aka Ivory)Cormatin. The turnaround time was amazing--they got this hood to me in less than 4 weeks after ordering. One little regret: after obsessing between the polished and brushed stainless bands, I ended up going with the brushed. Looking at it now, I don't think the polished would have been as overwhelmingly flashy as I worried it would be. Actually, I was expecting there to be a stainless band along the front lip, as well (under the decorative pot rack bar), but I guess that was an option I needed to specify. Fortunately, I prefer the look without that band...so that little mistake worked out well for me.
Ah, slowly getting closer to the end product!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by wilsonb (My Page) on Sat, Apr 22, 06 at 17:22
Oh Kelly...It's gorgeous.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by annaleef (My Page) on Sat, Apr 22, 06 at 18:31
Beautiful, beautiful, Kelly.
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by andrea345 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 23, 06 at 9:36
azdreamhome - I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you. May your inspection go smoothly, or if it doesn't, may the inspector find something worth correcting.
Kelly - It's gawgeous!
-a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Sun, Apr 23, 06 at 10:09
AZ...good luck on getting your CO!!! I'm very excited for you!!
Kelly...ohmigoodness!! That's a beautiful hood! It'll be gorgeous with your range. Looking forward to more pictures!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by klb_2000 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 23, 06 at 12:13
It is a nice hood, isn't it? And one of the best things about it---even with the custom color it only cost me about $1300 plus shipping. (Note that it is only during my current kitchen-related spending spree that I feel OK saying anything 'only' cost me $1300!) When I priced out the similar Vent-a-hood (Excalibur) color matched to RAL9001, it was nearly twice that amount. However, I think I owe the excellent pricing to the fact that the range hood company doesn't have a local distributor in my area, so I bought directly from the manufacturer. A friend priced out the exact same model at her local dealer (in CA) and it cost at least $1000 more (and the manufacturer wouldn't sell directly to her).
Of course, no report yet on the actual performance (which counts for something too!).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by ophelias (My Page) on Sun, Apr 30, 06 at 23:35
Speaking of local dealers' costing more, does anyone know of a vendor in France or England or elsewhere in Europe that ships Lacanche ranges to the USA? Thanks.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, May 2, 06 at 11:35
ophelias -- do a search on this board for Vedazu who imported from Europe. She provides lots of info.
Well, after 10+ months in storage at AC, our black Cluny 1400 is being delivered TODAY sometime between Noon and 5:00 pm (PST). Wish us luck!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Tue, May 2, 06 at 11:43
AZ....Oh!!! I'm so excited for you! Please post pix when it arrives!!! Good luck!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 (2) clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, May 2, 06 at 11:55
Oops! No sooner did I post here than my builder called to tell me we are rescheduling delivery until tomorrow afternoon. We are getting our power turned on today (cross your fingers). Gas went on last week so we will be able to "install" (I hope).
I will definitely post pics by the end of the week... I hope.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by kitchengirl (My Page) on Wed, May 3, 06 at 15:45
Hi all,
Could someone please provide the url for the Lacanche finished kitchens blog? Is it still available? I know I bookmarked the site, but cannot find it!
Thanks very much.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Wed, May 3, 06 at 16:10
AZ...well, is it in???
kitchengirl...unfortunately, I think Nancy has left. The blog seems to stop at Thread #23...but it's wonderful that it's still there!
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Blog
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by kitchengirl (My Page) on Wed, May 3, 06 at 17:43
Momto4:
Thanks very much!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Wed, May 3, 06 at 19:10
Nothing too exciting to report. The Lacanche has ARRIVED and is sitting all crated up in our garage. We took off one end of the crate so I can see it from the side but we do not want to uncrate it anymore until the electricity gets turned on and the security system is working. Makes me real nervous to have that beauty sitting in our garage (we haven't moved in yet). Now I need to wait one more week (May 11th) to get it installed. I found someone in the Phoenix area who installs all the "exotic" ranges (Lacanche, Morice, LaCornue, etc.). He's the only name Art Culinere had on their website. When I spoke to him yesterday he says he wants to do the entire "uncrating" procedure and move it into the house, install, etc. I just do not trust my plumber to touch this baby. I can definitely wait one more week and sleep at night.
I will keep you posted and will definitely post some pics once it's in it's rightful place in our kitchen!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Thu, May 4, 06 at 10:58
Oh bummer...but YAY! at the same time! At least you have the comfort of knowing it's at your house!! That's a wonderful relief, I'm sure!! Looking forward to seeing pix of your beautiful kitchen (and the rest of your home!!)!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by maringirl (My Page) on Mon, May 8, 06 at 11:11
Hi everyone -- I can't remember how long I have been off these threads now because my home construction project has been a big blur. But sitting is my new garage, still in its crate, is a Sologne Green Chambertin with an open burner, French top and two regular burners. I can't believe it is finally a reality! After the help and input I got from all of you, I decided to go with this range, gas oven, and a separate Elan Vintage electric convection wall oven. It is also in my garage. I am way behind the curve on venting though, and need some help. I tried to find thread 28, but I don't think it is up anymore. We are going to do a VAH liner with a wood/venetian plaster hood, but I am getting conflicting information on the size of liner to use. Ours is wall mounted, and there aren't any uppers close enough to be an issue, so we really can go as big as we need to. I would love some advice, and if anyone can help me find thread 28, that would be great! I enjoyed reading this thread this weekend and catching up with you all! Thanks -- Val
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by azdreamhome (My Page) on Mon, May 8, 06 at 11:43
Hi Val -- congrats on your Chambertin! Is that like a Volnay (one oven and one warming cabinet)? I would love to see photos of it when you have it in your kitchen. We also have our Cluny 1400 crated up and in our garage. I'm hoping to get it installed this Thursday. It arrived last Tuesday so I'm probably going to take the crate off of it today and examine it so if there are any problems I can report them within my seven (7) day window as required.
We also have the VAH with a framed in hood and will do some kind of paint treatment to it (venetian plaster is being considered also). I'll post pics at the end of the week (I hope). When is your Chambertin going into your kitchen?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by maringirl (My Page) on Mon, May 8, 06 at 19:05
AZ -- Thanks! The Chambertin is like a Volnay (oven plus warming cupboard), except that it is 4" wider to accomodate an extra hob. That way I didn't have to choose between the open burner and FT! We did peek to make sure there was no damage. After planning for so long it is amazing to see the real thing. That is exciting you are so close to finishing! We are about 6 weeks away (we hope!).
What shape is the framing for your hood, and what are you thinking for the finish? Val
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by histokitch (My Page) on Mon, May 8, 06 at 19:23
Hey Val--does the 4" gain show up in the oven or in the warming cabinet? Sounds interesting. I've been considering a Volnay so I could have a wall oven. Something else to think about (I'm sure my worn out husband will be thrilled).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by maringirl (My Page) on Tue, May 9, 06 at 0:44
Histokitch -- The Chambertin oven has the same dimensions as the Sully oven. I looked at the specs for the Volnay on the AC site, but they don't show the oven size. The Chambertin may just have a bigger oven door to compensate for the extra width (if you look at the two drawings on the spec pages, the Chabertin looks like it has a wider oven door than the Volnay). The Chambertin specs are actually grouped with the Fontenay. AC said this model is not ordered very frequently, but it accomodated my wish list.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Tue, May 9, 06 at 9:16
Hi Maringirl!
About your hood...I have a VAH liner, wood/plaster facade, and no upper cabs. My hood is 36 inches above the cooktop. My range is in an "alcove" so I could get away with the added height. I'm not sure what specs you've been given. The 3" overhang on each side is only a rule of thumb. While performance is important, aesthetics are important, too. You wouldn't want a hood that looks oddly disproportionate to the range.
My range and my hood are the same length, side-to-side. My range is large, so my hood is large. To have gone 3" beyond on each side would have just been too overpowering. I think there are another couple of people who don't have upper cabs and whose hoods are the same length as their ranges. Then there are a couple whose hoods are slightly larger.
Just grab a piece of graph paper. Sketch in your range and lower cabs. Then just cut out different sized hoods and see how the look placed at different heights and widths. That ought to give you a pretty good feel for what will look balanced. You might (or might not) need more CFMs if you decided to go higher off the cooktop.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by maringirl (My Page) on Tue, May 9, 06 at 10:53
Hi Momto4 -- nice to hear from you! Is your liner 22.5" deep or did you go with a custom liner? I think your range is exactly two times the size of mine -- how many CFM's did you go with? I know I saw a picture of your stunning kitchen when I was picking my range (well over a year ago), but I don't remeber how you finished the band. Did you plaster the whole thing or did you add a decorative element around the band?
Thank you! Val
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by momto4kids (My Page) on Tue, May 9, 06 at 13:01
Val...thanks for the kind words! Yes, my liner is the 22 1/2 " deep one. Actually, I have two 42" liners. I don't even remember the cfms! I'll have to check that and I'll post back. My liner is attached to the wall, then framed around. There is a simple wood band around the bottom portion and stucco on the rest. Here is a picture (not very clear, but at least it shows the hood):
>
Is thread 28 the one where we talked a lot about installation of the hood? I do my greasy, smokey, etc, type cooking on my back burners, so I wanted my hood to sit toward the back. Just remember...your range will project from the wall a bit more than what carpenters are used to with most other ranges (because of the back spacer or the island spacer, whichever you chose). If you want your hood to be positioned over the footprint of your range, the hood will need to be mounted out from the wall and not flush on the wall. This is not hard...it just needs to be considered when mounting.
Even though my hood sits back further than what most people would probably prefer, my frame is built out so the outside of my frame lines up with the edge of the range.
I hope I didn't just confuse you!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Lacanche ranges part 31 clip this post email this post what is this?
see most clipped and recent clippings
Posted by maringirl (My Page) on Tue, May 9, 06 at 22:54
Momto4kids, thank you so much for the information. I'm glad that the 22.5" liner works for you because AC said they recommend 24" (which is custom, costs more, and worse than that, has a 12 to 14 week lead time). I have gotten wildly different information from VAH about which model to get, everything from a 46" wide 900 CFM to a 52" 1800 CFM(!). My particular range is 43.5", so I'm inclined to go with the 46" for scale as you mentioned. If you don't mind me asking yet MORE questions about it, what material did you use to fill the gap at the front of your hood between the shell and the liner? Is the liner level with the bottom of your shell? Thanks again! Val
Go back to Lacanche homepage: http://lacanche.blogspot.com/
